Uhh, why you gonna answer my question with a question??
The greatest myth is to think suicide bombers and the like are just poor downtrodden individuals wanting to go straight go heaven. That is just the key that allows them to carry out the act. The motives behind Islamic martyrdom operations in particular has a lot more to do with forcing the occupying democratic states to leave territory for which the fundamentalists hold dear. It is not individual people being pissed off and doing something about it, its a reaction to what they perceive as oppression or invasion of their land.
But if you want to believe the Bush administration that they're just criminals or whatnot, go ahead. Al-Qaida didn't just spring up out of nowhere, you know, to kill Westerners because of their freedom. That my friend is the myth Bushies would want you to believe. That the US is the victim.
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Sep-15-2007 14:52
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Terrorism suceeds and thats the only option poor countries have who dont have Weapons of Mass Destruction.
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Sep-15-2007 16:01
Krypton
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Originally posted by Purple
Terrorism suceeds and thats the only option poor countries have who dont have Weapons of Mass Destruction.
I don't think having WMDs helps much, but, you have a point.
In almost every case, terrorism acts are the means by which weak country's fight the strong ones.
Criminals act for one's own self. Now, a suicide bombing is an act far from being for one's self. Though it is technically against the law, making them criminals for doing it, this terrorism is far from being a simple criminal act just for the hell of scaring people. It goes far deeper than that. And anyone who continues to say that Al-Qaida fights the west because they hate democratic freedom is just fooling themselves.
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Sep-15-2007 16:59
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It's not very usually successful, in fact, other than Madrid, where the specific aim was to affect the elections, it's not very often terrorist acts achieve their aims (even in Spain the election result had more to do with how the current government handled the bombing aftermath than the actual bombs themselves)
Wasn't Nelson Mandela part of a terrorist group? And wasn't there some Israeli terrorism going on against the British before the establishment of Israel? Those are just two that I believe were successful, surely there are many others.
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At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome
Sep-15-2007 17:52
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Originally posted by Krypton
Criminals act for one's own self. Now, a suicide bombing is an act far from being for one's self. Though it is technically against the law, making them criminals for doing it, this terrorism is far from being a simple criminal act just for the hell of scaring people. It goes far deeper than that. And anyone who continues to say that Al-Qaida fights the west because they hate democratic freedom is just fooling themselves.
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And venomX Ireland also took terrorism route to win their cause and they suceeded.. These examples just failed my point where I said its just the 'poor' countries who take terrorism as weapon to win..
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Sep-15-2007 18:11
erdega
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Originally posted by Krypton
I don't think having WMDs helps much, but, you have a point.
In almost every case, terrorism acts are the means by which weak country's fight the strong ones.
Criminals act for one's own self. Now, a suicide bombing is an act far from being for one's self. Though it is technically against the law, making them criminals for doing it, this terrorism is far from being a simple criminal act just for the hell of scaring people. It goes far deeper than that. And anyone who continues to say that Al-Qaida fights the west because they hate democratic freedom is just fooling themselves.
There is your myth perpetrated by big western media to absolve themselves of terrorism charges , in almost every case you will find a poor down trodden or fanatical and wanting glory person being encouraged and/or financed by a stronger or richer entity fighting a sort of a proxy war and when that doesnt' work then it's on to that entity to shed any pretense and try the dirty work themselves
On another note, WMD's help a lot , for one no one will bother you and you go from a dictator everyone tries to ignore to a statesman if you have one.
Suicide bombers do it for glory and they outweigh that over life the same way people in dangerous jobs do it for money and fame or high profile criminals . They want to leave their mark more than anything
Al Qaida fights the west because it has the same globalistic totalitarian approach of domination as Washington/London/Brussels and every mean to do it. We are witnessing a fight for global domination but like nazis and commies before them they are just likely to kill each other off along with millions of their victims and neither will deliver in the end but both are absolutelly convinced of their cause along with millions of their followers
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Sep-15-2007 19:58
Krypton
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Originally posted by erdega
Al Qaida fights the west because it has the same globalistic totalitarian approach of domination as Washington/London/Brussels and every mean to do it. We are witnessing a fight for global domination but like nazis and commies before them they are just likely to kill each other off along with millions of their victims and neither will deliver in the end but both are absolutelly convinced of their cause along with millions of their followers