what i AM sick of is advertising that a dj is going to perform "live," but all they end up doing is use ableton. for me, a live set has to significantly incorporate somthing other than cds, vinyls, or a computer - be it vocals, instruments, synthesizers, drum machines, effects boards, whatev - more than just an ableton controller. maybe im just old school, but i think instead of having a [Live] by their name on a flyer, it should say [Ableton]

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Originally posted by TheKidsWantTechno what i AM sick of is advertising that a dj is going to perform "live," but all they end up doing is use ableton. for me, a live set has to significantly incorporate somthing other than cds, vinyls, or a computer - be it vocals, instruments, synthesizers, drum machines, effects boards, whatev. maybe im just old school, but i think instead of having a [Live] by their name on a flyer, it should say [Ableton]

it depends on the example, but if somebody's didn't use any of that to produce the music, you can't expect him to suddenly pull out a bunch of hardware for a show.

The main difference, from a listener's perspective, is the music you can expect to hear, so even though 'live' might not be the greatest label, you still need some distinction for sets comprised of mostly if not all original material.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous it depends on the example, but if somebody's didn't use any of that to produce the music, you can't expect him to suddenly pull out a bunch of hardware for a show.

A lot of electronic bands use live instruments such a drum kits and bass guitars to replicate their music live. These instruments weren't used on the record but they are to make the music "live". I agree that a live show should be a live show, not just a glorified DJ set comprised entirely of your own music.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous The main difference, from a listener's perspective, is the music you can expect to hear, so even though 'live' might not be the greatest label, you still need some distinction for sets comprised of mostly if not all original material.

I can agree with that, but it raises another point - there seems to be more and more people doing "live" (not DJ) sets in Ableton, and essentially none of them are doing anything interesting at all. In fact quite the opposite, they've been some of the worst shows I have ever seen in my life.

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Originally posted by RJT I can agree with that, but it raises another point - there seems to be more and more people doing "live" (not DJ) sets in Ableton, and essentially none of them are doing anything interesting at all. In fact quite the opposite, they've been some of the worst shows I have ever seen in my life.

ya, i think you'd have to be incredibly versatile and a master of ableton, but even moreso, have a ridiculous armory of self-made loops/samples/evrything to play with to make one of these "live" ableton acts original and interesting. sure, a lot of people produce with ableton. and there's a lot of djs that can rip a pretty serious dj set using it as a tool. but i have yet to see someone that can put on a really impressive "live" using ableton alone

The worst show I have ever seen in my life was an Ableton "live" show - and it quite literally caused the club to empty within the first 15 to 20 minutes.

Just pitiful, I felt embarrassed for the guy.

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well, Matthew Dear pulled off the best set I've heard in person, doing the live/ableton deal.

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Originally posted by TheKidsWantTechno ya, i think you'd have to be incredibly versatile and a master of ableton, but even moreso, have a ridiculous armory of self-made loops/samples/evrything to play with to make one of these "live" ableton acts original and interesting.

he was in the middle of a ton of production right around that time, so he had a lot to work with. The other main thing is that somebody like that has a wider range of stuff to use than somebody sticking to one sound, under one name...or off of one album, like a lot of people do.

Come on now, you have to know Mathew Dear is almost always going to be the exception and not the rule. Comparing to what I saw amounts to comparing Mozart with Tay Zonday.

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Originally posted by RJT Come on now, you have to know Mathew Dear is almost always going to be the exception and not the rule. Comparing to what I saw amounts to comparing Mozart with Tay Zonday.

I'm just saying...it can definitely be done with just a mixer & a laptop.

I don't disagree - but there aren't very many people who can do it well.

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I guess. I haven't seen anybody else try, so I'm always a bit surprised when everyone rips on it, because that's what I'm going by

hey, i like tay zonday