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Originally posted by Derivative No dont do this. This is called Shill bidding and is bannable if you are found out. It is also completely lame and used by the scum of internet auctions to price hike their own items.

IF you are found out

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Originally posted by Derivative No dont do this. This is called Shill bidding and is bannable if you are found out. It is also completely lame and used by the scum of internet auctions to price hike their own items.

pfff, its common method

wouldnt say that just the scum does it..

What happens if the "shill bidder" wins? You have to give ebay their cut and relist the item?

With something like the virus ti, I dont think you have to worry about it selling too cheap. These things are in high demand and will always find their correct value so there is no worry in setting a really low start price (like 0.99p).

I always list anything I sell for 99p to get a cheap listing fee and it creates shit loads of interest. If at the auction end it was going to sell too cheap I would get a friend to bid it up for me. There is no way I would let something go for silly money just so I play by the "rules".

Fact is though, I have never had to get a friend to bid for me because things always find their value...

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considering 2:1 exchange rate on USD vs GBP, you'll be up against stiff competition. Used Ti desktop goes for about $1300 - $1500 USD, making it about &650 - &750 (plus shipping/VAT?)... Don't think you'll get 1000 quid for it... tho, who knows.

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Originally posted by soundrush You can ask a friend to give a bid on that article if you dont like the price. or you bid by yourself with a second account.

yeah!, that`s smart hahaha

ow.. except on ebay you must pay ebay for selling items.
so if you buy it yourself it only costs you money.

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Originally posted by -_1_--Ben--_1_- yeah!, that`s smart hahaha ow.. except on ebay you must pay ebay for selling items. so if you buy it yourself it only costs you money.

not if you back out through "mutually withdrawn transaction" process. Keep in mind that they are tracking how many times you use it. Use it too often and you get busted, plus I think the limit is 3 times in 6 months, anymore than that and you're eating it.

You still end up paying some costs, but in some cases it's cheaper than paying reserve fee if your item doesn't sell.

I hope ebay gets some serious competition soon. Can't imagine that "Big G" wouldn't at the very least be in the process of researching some patents that ebay filed, to see what can be done without infringing on ebay's turf and yet give 'em run for the money.

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Originally posted by ralpheeee IF you are found out

People don't need to find out that you are a fagg0t for shill bidding. According to the universal laws of the universe you are still undeniably a 100% pure squeezed fagmuffin.

Yes, Derivative, you're right.

People think they can get away with character defects, but they're plainly there for people to see. If you get handed too much change when you buy something in a shop, and you decide to keep the money instead of handing it back, then you live in a world where people aren't honest, because you see a dishonest person every time you look in the mirror. None of us can hide from what we are, or fool people into believing we're a good, honest person if we're not.

I don't believe in the small victories of getting a bit of extra money (or whatever) now and then, because I'd have to give up my view that most people are basically good and honest.

Its the prevalence of shill bidding amongst other really annoying bidding tactics that make me stay the fuck away from eBay.

Selling on eBay is also lame for the 419 shit that some buyers have tried to pull on my auctions and I have had to re list an item twice because the buyer who won the auction 'was bidding on 3 other Delta 1010s and got one for a better price.' I still had to pay the listing fees for both auctions and I've still got the 1010.

Buying/Selling is also shit because of the inevitable sniper war that happens 10 seconds from the end of the auction - resulting in many retractions (despite eBay regulations) after people impulse bid and end up winning an auction price thats more than they can afford or want to pay.

Honestly, eBaying in general is an exercise in how to lose faith in humanity. If I had a TI to sell now, I'd probably list an advertisement locally in CM and FM magazine or something if I didn't have a friend who wanted to buy it.

As if you wouldn't have a dummy bidder come in if your item was about to sell way below its deserved price, give me a break Derivative. Ever been to an auction for a house? Same principle, it ensures that the item/property/whatever sells close to the price the seller should get for it.

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Vaguely on topic here... does anyone know what happens if you connect 2 Virus TI to your system? Can I double up on some TI action?

i'm guessing no,.. but just thought i'd ask.

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