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Verona^My
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Rochester, NY
Re: Why cheese?

quote:
Originally posted by kr00t0n
I've noticed that quite possibly the most popular word used in TA (Apart from 'trance', 'dyk', 'tiesto' and 'svenson & gielen') is 'cheese'.

Used anytime a person wants to bring attention to their personal dislike for something.

Some questions about this.

If something is mainstream or 'poppy', yet is still awesome, is it cheese or not?

If something sounds cheesy to me (normally original mixes of tracks ie. PPK, Minimalistix, Ian van Dahl, etc.) is just cheesy to me. I dont expect others to find it cheesy too, but it usually happens anyway.

Cheesy for some reason means 'Annoying and cute and stupid'.

I've seen people label all hard house cheese, yet I find that while there are cheesy HH tracks (just like trance ones or R&B ones, etc.), there are also really hard and energetic tracks, or bouncy cheeky tracks and so on.

Why CHEESE?!?!


I dont find PPK - Ressurrection to be cheesy, just a nice melodic and relaxing tune. Minimalistix is boring, not cheesy. Ian Van Dahl makes nice pop music, not trance.

'Annoying and cute and stupid'. By this definition I find Aqua, Vengaboys and Jay-Z's It's a hard knock life, all incredibly cheesy. Which I do, and that is how I define cheese.

Cheesy trance is like older ATB or the Barcode Brothers. But I dont find trance to be very cheesy generally, although I do find a lot of mid-90's euro to be cheesy. Especially the bubblegum euro of the late 90's.

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Mark
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cheese does not necessarily mean commercial.

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Verona^My
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quote:
Originally posted by M.A.R.K
cheese does not necessarily mean commercial.


thats for damn sure. Cheese is a style of music.

Like Weird Al. He's does cheese, but he's funny and good at what he does.

Right Said Fred... They write cheesy songs, cause that's what they do.

2 Unlimited... More cheese. I actually like some of 2 Unlimited's music, but their style is cheese.

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who the hell made this cheese bullshit. if the song is crap just say its crap farrrrrrrrrr


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kr00t0n
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The thing about cheesiness to me is just that with some tunes, only one simple little riff in a track can put me off.

The main tune for PPK, or Picotto's Komodo just irritate and annoy me. I cant explain why, but I think its something to do with the fact that I could very easily see those tunes (the tunes, not the whole tracks) used in a kiddies program, ala 'Barney'.

Hmmf.

I guess I'm just weird like that.

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Fredz21
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quote:
Originally posted by Verona^My


thats for damn sure. Cheese is a style of music.

Like Weird Al. He's does cheese, but he's funny and good at what he does.

Right Said Fred... They write cheesy songs, cause that's what they do.

2 Unlimited... More cheese. I actually like some of 2 Unlimited's music, but their style is cheese.


Does this means PVD could come one one day with a Wierd Al - Polka Power!(PVD E-Work Remix) or a Dumonde remix or.... gasp.... Scot Project rmx!!!!! (Psycho bathroom scene scream!!!!)

I do agree with kr00t0n with the Barney idea on the cheese, but then again(flame me if you want) Delirium's Silence after the 128763187263 time I've heard it on the radio, I'm sorry to say, I consider cheese


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Carl
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Registered: May 2001
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humnn, yeah well cheese in that kind of context (well cheesy) has been around for ages. I think the word cheese should only be associated with judge jules. Am i helping?

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Ocean Wave
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Location: Scotland

quote:
Originally posted by Fredz21
Delirium's Silence after the 128763187263 time I've heard it on the radio, I'm sorry to say, I consider cheese


Just because a track is overplayed it doesn't make it cheese, that's not the meaning of the word and a lot of people seem to think like that.

I already posted this earlier, but I'll post it again. The quote comes from RMF and is the best definition of cheese I've ever seen:

quote:
cheese = the overal artistic value a track has when produced with one purpose in mind : sell as many copies as possible
so it's full of clichés = structure and drumrolls and bassline and melody type, commonly used sounds that go for immediate effect, no multiple possible interpretations, no multi-layered sounds.
these tracks all mostly have a mellow feel to them, and always appeal somewhat good on first hearings as they are engineered to do so. that's also why they work to some extent quite well in clubs and on raves, because they have a straight to the point attitude, everyone can feel the effects easily, it is bright transparent music and very expressionistic in it's nature : the message it contains is easily understood by everyone( for which i believe it has a very important role as a stepstone to more sophisticated music)

everyone has to admit, by ignoring the consiousness of the low-quality production, when they open themselves to this music and allow themselves to just experience it, the effects of cheese can be quite strong, especially when on E's
luckily there's more to trance than cheesy trance, but trance would not be complete without cheesy trance

the strength of cheese lies in the fact that it's simple not complex.it's impressionistic and aimed at a very direct form of cummunication through music

of course there are different variety's of cheese
older= dated
bad = just completely out of touch with even the creators themselves, a pure waste of time
young = good ideas and a bit of originality, but just a rushed job
...
i like cheese and i dont like it
worst cheese record = too many to name
best cheese record : the age of love watch out for stella mix

special trance soundtrack for sex(i've always found it a good combination, but no music can be even better)early house party mix cd's ( nr 11 by jean is great!nr 9 is a classic)
special trance soundtrack for groupsex( or a gangbang)
= push - universal nation ( original mix but extended with the break and post break part repeated x times) lol myself
it's even a cheesy track, and i've just taught you that cheese isn't a bad word,haven't i?

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elena
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same reason things are "corny"

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Verona^My
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Rochester, NY

I disagree, cheese is a style. You dont have to sell 1 billion records to be cheesy, some people who've never sold a record make the cheesiest music, hence why they never sold a record...

I did manage to remember a trance group I consider cheese, the name of the group was Lightforce and with the exception of Join Us, everything else they did was cheese.

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Verona^My
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Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Wave


Just because a track is overplayed it doesn't make it cheese, that's not the meaning of the word and a lot of people seem to think like that.

I already posted this earlier, but I'll post it again. The quote comes from RMF and is the best definition of cheese I've ever seen:



I agree, Silence is far from cheese. Radioplay doesn't equate to cheesiness.

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