Speaking of chickenshit, chickenhawk, draft-dodging, warmongering Limbaugh, his comments are pretty interesting especially when confronted by actual soldiers such as this one:
Rush's response:
quote:
"This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren't hurting me they are betraying this soldier," Limbaugh said.
So, Rush Limbaugh called me a "suicide bomber." More slander from the high and mighty sitting in his chair nursing the boils on his ass. I can assure you that I am no suicide bomber and that I can think for myself.
Rush, your phony soldier comments pissed me off. The audacity of someone like you who never had the courage to stand and fight for what you believe in makes my head spin. That is what made me stand up and state my convictions in front of a camera. I wanted to point out that you are wrong. I am not a phony soldier. I believe that we are not doing the right thing for national security by staying in Iraq. We are putting too much strain on our military by extending tours and not giving people enough time at home to rest. We have taken our eye off of the real Al-Qaeda and let them regroup to their pre-9/11 strength. We have not developed a political system in Iraq that would enable the country to stand on its own.
I stood in the sand, snow, dirt, mud and dust of both Afghanistan and Iraq. I spent over a week on a side of a mountain in Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda. I received The Bronze Star medal for my actions during that battle. I crossed the border into Iraq with the first wave of the 101st Airborne. I sustained an open head injury on the streets of Mosul after a vehicle borne IED exploded next to the vehicle I was riding in. I have seen the aftermath of a real suicide bomber. I had loved ones who died in the 9/11 attacks. I have friends and colleagues who returned from the war in body bags.
How dare you call someone like me a phony soldier and a suicide bomber? In the commercial I just taped, I told you unless you had the guts to say something to my face, stop telling lies about my service. Well you haven’t had the guts to say it to my face, but I am waiting and the offer is still on the table.
How proud you must be, Latin, to have chickenshit warmongers like Rush lead battle charges for you and then smear those soldiers who fucking fought in the war and disagree with him and Bush's war. You seem to be in good company with the mouthpieces of your cause. Surely you want to separate yourself from these chicken littles and actually fight for the cause you so eagerly support, right?
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Oct-03-2007 01:06
LatinLover
Bad Boy 4 Life
Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Medellin, Colombia/ Miami, FL
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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Speaking of chickenshit, chickenhawk, draft-dodging, warmongering Limbaugh, his comments are pretty interesting especially when confronted by actual soldiers such as this one:
Rush's response:
And Brian, the soldier's response to Rush:
How proud you must be, Latin, to have chickenshit warmongers like Rush lead battle charges for you and then smear those soldiers who fucking fought in the war and disagree with him and Bush's war. You seem to be in good company with the mouthpieces of your cause. Surely you want to separate yourself from these chicken littles and actually fight for the cause you so eagerly support, right?
MisterOcotopus1,
I am sick and tired of your propaganda in here.
In regards of those statement by the soldier. I respect it, I respect the fact that he served in our military and answered to do his duty when he was called upon by his country.
He may have these sentiments towards the war, but THEY ARE NOT THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR MILITARY IN GENERAL. Only because he feels that way, dosent mean everyone on the battlefield feels the same. and I gave the example of those of my friends. Every time I have had the opportunity to talk to soldiers I hear hope, desire, bravery, and most importantly that they believe that what they are doing in Iraq is for a good cause. I thank them for their service and I pray to god that our military never loses heart to continue.
YOU ARE ONE SICK MAN! How dare you say that this is Bushs war... tell me are our soldiers fighting and representing bush or the united states? What flag do our soldiers wave? Dont ever disrespect our soldiers by saying that they are fighting for Bush. Our brave men and women would be disgusted if they here such thing.
To answer your question, which you also posed in another thread, why am i not in the military? just to give you a hint. I am the type of person that questions authority, i am not very good at following orders. That is one of the qualities a soldier must posses when in battle, since im not good at following orders why join? why be a pain in the ass to my commander? there you have it.
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Oct-03-2007 01:34
MisterOpus1
Grumpy Old Fart
Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City
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Originally posted by LatinLover
MisterOcotopus1,
I am sick and tired of your propaganda in here.
What have I posted that you consider "propaganda"? Be specific and support your answers, please.
quote:
In regards of those statement by the soldier. I respect it, I respect the fact that he served in our military and answered to do his duty when he was called upon by his country.
He may have these sentiments towards the war, but THEY ARE NOT THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR MILITARY IN GENERAL. Only because he feels that way, dosent mean everyone on the battlefield feels the same.
Nor does he have to be, but he does represent a growing number of the military, just like an ever growing majority of Americans.
What's your point, exactly?
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and I gave the example of those of my friends. Every time I have had the opportunity to talk to soldiers I hear hope, desire, bravery, and most importantly that they believe that what they are doing in Iraq is for a good cause. I thank them for their service and I pray to god that our military never loses heart to continue.
And I just got done leaping over the Sears Tower in Chicago. I did it blindfolded, and on one leg. Backwards even, with two flips at the top.
Anecdotal stories are fun and all, but they give little credence to points made by anyone, let alone yourself in this instance.
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YOU ARE ONE SICK MAN! How dare you say that this is Bushs war... tell me are our soldiers fighting and representing bush or the united states? What flag do our soldiers wave? Dont ever disrespect our soldiers by saying that they are fighting for Bush.
I don't recall ever saying it's "Bush's war", and not the U.S. war. Can you point to where I said that exactly?
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Our brave men and women would be disgusted if they here such thing.
Because your bestest buddies said that to a civilian like you?
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To answer your question, which you also posed in another thread, why am i not in the military? just to give you a hint. I am the type of person that questions authority, i am not very good at following orders. That is one of the qualities a soldier must posses when in battle, since im not good at following orders why join? why be a pain in the ass to my commander? there you have it.
So you'd rather stay here and fight for their cause with your fire-breathing keyboard instead of actually fight there for the cause you so ardently support because, ummm, you don't like following orders?
That's a rather pathetic excuse to sit behind your keyboard and support this war cause while pitifully branding everyone else (i.e. the majority of Americans) as "far leftists" for not supporting the same cause as you. Don't you think the best means of supporting the cause you so ardently support is to actually fight for it yourself?
Or do you think that's best served for someone else like these boys and girls?:
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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...
Oct-03-2007 02:24
Lebezniatnikov
Stupidity Annoys Me
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: DC
quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover
MisterOcotopus1,
lol
quote:
I am sick and tired of your propaganda in here.
In regards of those statement by the soldier. I respect it, I respect the fact that he served in our military and answered to do his duty when he was called upon by his country.
He may have these sentiments towards the war, but THEY ARE NOT THE SENTIMENTS OF OUR MILITARY IN GENERAL. Only because he feels that way, dosent mean everyone on the battlefield feels the same. and I gave the example of those of my friends. Every time I have had the opportunity to talk to soldiers I hear hope, desire, bravery, and most importantly that they believe that what they are doing in Iraq is for a good cause. I thank them for their service and I pray to god that our military never loses heart to continue.
You are using anecdotal evidence to refute anecdotal evidence. That doesn't prove anything. Suffice it to say, there are a substantial number of soldiers on both sides of the debate.
Also, I don't think anyone on here is criticizing the decision of the troops to go to Iraq. After all, they are just following orders as you've pointed out. However, we ARE criticizing the decision made by POLITICIANS to send them into battle in the first place! We are sorely abusing our soldiers by calling upon them unwisely. Yes, they have served well and with honor, but the fact of the matter is that they never should have had to bear such a burden in the first place. And THAT is something worth criticizing this administration over; or at the very least, asking some extremely tough questions of this administration and the proponents of a continued war in Iraq.
You note that you pray that the military never loses heart to continue to serve. However, think for a moment as if you are a soldier. Would you continue to blindly support a war once you realize that it is not being fought in the national interest, and may in fact have created more security concerns for your country than it endeavored to solve? I pray that the men and women in the armed forces never lose faith in their mission either - but I worry very deeply that by taking advantage of their faith, and sending them in to do battle unnecessarily, they will never trust us again.
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Oct-03-2007 02:25
Lebezniatnikov
Stupidity Annoys Me
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: DC
Friedman in tomorrow morning's NYTimes:
quote:
Charge It to My Kids
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: October 7, 2007
Every so often a quote comes out of the Bush administration that leaves you asking: Am I crazy or are they? I had one of those moments last week when Dana Perino, the White House press secretary, was asked about a proposal by some Congressional Democrats to levy a surtax to pay for the Iraq war, and she responded, “We’ve always known that Democrats seem to revert to type, and they are willing to raise taxes on just about anything.”
Yes, those silly Democrats. They’ll raise taxes for anything, even — get this — to pay for a war!
And if we did raise taxes to pay for our war to bring a measure of democracy to the Arab world, “does anyone seriously believe that the Democrats are going to end these new taxes that they’re asking the American people to pay at a time when it’s not necessary to pay them?” added Ms. Perino. “I just think it’s completely fiscally irresponsible.”
Friends, we are through the looking glass. It is now “fiscally irresponsible” to want to pay for a war with a tax. These democrats just don’t understand: the tooth fairy pays for wars. Of course she does — the tooth fairy leaves the money at the end of every month under Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson’s pillow. And what a big pillow it is! My God, what will the Democrats come up with next? Taxes to rebuild bridges or schools or high-speed rail or our lagging broadband networks? No, no, the tooth fairy covers all that. She borrows the money from China and leaves it under Paulson’s pillow.
Of course, we can pay for the Iraq war without a tax increase. The question is, can we pay for it and be making the investments in infrastructure, science and education needed to propel our country into the 21st century? Visit Singapore, Japan, Korea, China or parts of Europe today and you’ll discover that the infrastructure in our country is not keeping pace with our peers’.
We can pay for anything today if we want to stop investing in tomorrow. The president has already slashed the National Institutes of Health research funding the past two years. His 2008 budget wants us to cut money for vocational training, infrastructure and many student aid programs.
Does the Bush team really believe that if we had a $1-a-gallon gasoline tax — which could reduce our dependence on Middle East oil dictators, and reduce payroll taxes for low-income workers, pay down the deficit and fund the development of renewable energy — we would be worse off as a country?
Excuse me, Ms. Perino, but I wish Republicans would revert to type. I thought they were, well, conservatives — the kind of people who saved for rainy days, who invested in tomorrow for their kids, folks who didn’t believe in free lunches or free wars.
No wonder The Wall Street Journal had a story Tuesday headlined, “G.O.P. Is Losing Grip on Core Business Vote.” It noted that traditional fiscal conservatives were defecting from the G.O.P. “angered by the growth of government spending during the six years that Republicans controlled both the White House and Congress.” And no wonder Alan Greenspan told The Journal: “The Republican Party, which ruled the House, the Senate and the presidency, I no longer recognize.”
Of course, the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, the Democrat David Obey, in proposing an Iraq war tax to help balance the budget was expressing his displeasure with the war. But he was also making a very important point when he said, “If this war is important enough to fight, then it ought to be important enough to pay for.”
The struggle against radical Islam is the fight of our generation. We all need to pitch in — not charge it on our children’s Visa cards. Previous American generations connected with our troops by making sacrifices at home — we’ve never passed on the entire cost of a war to the next generation, said Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International, who has written a history — “The Price of Liberty” — about how America has paid for its wars since 1776.
“In every major war we have fought in the 19th and 20th centuries,” said Mr. Hormats, “Americans have been asked to pay higher taxes — and nonessential programs have been cut — to support the military effort. Yet during this Iraq war, taxes have been lowered and domestic spending has climbed. In contrast to World War I, World War II, the Korean War and Vietnam, for most Americans this conflict has entailed no economic sacrifice. The only people really sacrificing for this war are the troops and their families.”
In his celebrated Farewell Address, Mr. Hormats noted, George Washington warned against “ungenerously throwing upon posterity the burdens we ourselves ought to bear.”
I still don't see how this is supposedly such a bad idea. The opportunity cost of the financial burden for this war is enormous.
Which makes it even more perplexing considering it was Pelosi who squashed the idea flat.
Conventional Beltway wisdom - so unfortunate how they still control so much in Washington.
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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...
