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LatinLover
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Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Medellin, Colombia/ Miami, FL

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
Are you fucking retarded? Does Civil Rights Movement ring a bell?? Wow, just wow..





Im being serious dont embarrass yourself anymore. Civil Rights Movement was an evolution.... dude please i mean you cant be that ignorant to not recognize that. Saying that it was a revolutions is like saying 1+1=3


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Old Post Oct-02-2007 21:57  United States
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Groundhog Boy
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Registered: May 2005
Location: New York, NY

Here's how we should pay for it:
quote:
Top Democrats propose war surtax
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Top House Democrats Tuesday proposed a "war surtax" to pay for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, a plan quickly condemned by Republicans and opposed by the House leadership.

The surtax would be "a percentage of your tax bill," said House Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey, D-Wisconsin. "And if you don't like the cost, then shut down the war."

The measure -- sponsored by Obey, Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, and Jim McGovern, D-Massachusetts -- would require low- and middle-income taxpayers to add 2 percent to their tax bill, while higher-income taxpayers would add 12 to 15 percent, Obey said.

The House Democratic leadership made it clear Wednesday that they had not signed off on the measure.

In a statement released Tuesday afternoon, House speaker Nancy Pelosi blasted President Bush for not asking Americans to sacrifice and "adding hundreds of billions of dollars in debt for future generations to repay."

But Pelosi said she will not back the measure.

"Some have suggested that shared sacrifice should take the form of a draft; others have suggested a surtax. Those who oppose a tax and the draft also should oppose the president's war," Pelosi said. "Just as I have opposed the war from the outset, I am opposed to a draft and I am opposed to a war surtax."

A spokesman for the House Ways and Means committee, which handles all tax measures, told CNN "there's no expectation that this proposal will come before the committee."

The proposal comes as the Bush administration requested an additional $190 billion for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obey estimated the surtax would annually generate between $140 and $150 billion dollars which is equivalent to the annual cost of the war in Iraq. VideoWatch Obey say he will not give the White House a blank check" »

"This is the first time in American history that when a president has taken a country to war and said 'by the way folks, we're going to have to sacrifice and the way to sacrifice is by cutting your taxes.'" Obey said. "It makes no sense."

Speaking at a Capitol Hill press conference, McGovern said families of troops serving in Iraq would be exempt from the surtax, and that the tax was similar to ones imposed during War War II and the Vietnam War.

The Republican leadership was quick to condemn the proposal.

"Raiding every taxpayer's wallet for the purposes of playing politics with our national security amounts to one of the most irresponsible proposals I've seen in a long, long time," House Minority Leader John Boehner said in a statement. "It's time for Democrats to support our troops and the strategy that has led them to make undeniable progress in Iraq."

A Democratic leadership aide dismissed criticism from the GOP, saying, "Republicans are talking about something [surtax proposal] that's never going to see the light of day, but they're doing it at their own peril because the more they talk about the costs of war, the more Americans will listen."

Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 Democrat in the House, said he agreed "this generation ought to help pay for" the war but that there was no agreement on backing the bill.

"One of the stories I just read said 'the Democrats propose,'" Hoyer said. "This is a proposal by Mr. Obey. Mr. Murtha and Mr. McGovern. This is not a party proposal."


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MisterOpus1
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Location: Kansas City

Relax, Latin. With the spineless Democrats on your side, you needn't worry one bit about defunding your cause and bringing our troops home. Pelosi, the ever spineless House Speaker, squashed any talk:

quote:
All told, the Democratic proposal for an "Iraq tax" lasted about four hours. That’s roughly the amount of time from when House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) gave life to the idea with his endorsement to when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) strangled it.

"Just as I have opposed the war from the outset, I am opposed to a draft and I am opposed to a war surtax," Pelosi said in a statement issued this afternoon.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news...2007-10-02.html


But I will say that funding for this war (or rather, sincere lack thereof) really does fall in line with the current Republican party mantra - create a fiscal debt on any given issue now and let someone else pay for it later.

Of course that means that us and our children will have to pay for everything you Republicans have successfully thrown us into the debt hole for now, including funding for this war, but what else is new?


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Krypton
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Texas

quote:
Originally posted by LatinLover


Im being serious dont embarrass yourself anymore. Civil Rights Movement was an evolution.... dude please i mean you cant be that ignorant to not recognize that. Saying that it was a revolutions is like saying 1+1=3


An evolution? Why don't they call it "Civil Rights Evolution"? Oh, because it was a fucking movement...

I find it hard debating someone who doesn't even know basic concepts of political science..


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Groundhog Boy
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Registered: May 2005
Location: New York, NY

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Relax, Latin. With the spineless Democrats on your side, you needn't worry one bit about defunding your cause and bringing our troops home. Pelosi, the ever spineless House Speaker, squashed any talk:



But I will say that funding for this war (or rather, sincere lack thereof) really does fall in line with the current Republican party mantra - create a fiscal debt on any given issue now and let someone else pay for it later.

Of course that means that us and our children will have to pay for everything you Republicans have successfully thrown us into the debt hole for now, including funding for this war, but what else is new?

That gives them an easy route to say that all that Democrats want to do is raise taxes, duh.

Oh, and who cares about our children, they'll be in heaven with us after God takes his wrath out on this unholy world, bringing us back together again (aka global warming or nuclear war, whichever comes first in the next 50 years).


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We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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