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Originally posted by CHRles LOL, oh man this was looooong and extremely amateurish. It's like someone watched a bunch of hollywood movies, plagiarized some shock-value lines from movie/book scripts, watched one too many 9/11 docs (both official and other pseudo-docs) and came up with this garbage. All the crap that Krypton spews on this forum is all on this 2 hour annoyingly retarded movie. If you're not an engineer, if you're not a historian, if you don't know much about economics, but you are anti-US or anti-government, then you too can be easily influenced by that link. It feeds off people that are desperate for a meaning to their lives, and who are desperate to feel like they're in the matrix and someone just gave them the blue pill. I think pkc had his best reply to this subject the other day. Some anti-US freak was on here telling us that his dad was in NYC on 9/10/01 and some cab driver "warned" him that the following day wouldn't be a safe one. Pkc's reply was that if this was some secret government ploy, how is it possible that so many people including the cab drivers were in on this? I guess all those people who worked so hard at the Trade towers were in on this too, right?

Again, you guys might actually have an argument if you'd just refute some of the actual points that it made instead of emotively making sweeping generalizations.

I'm with you on that other post, Trancer-X.
I'm non religious myself, and seem to sway between agnostic and aetheist. There's so many things in this world that are wrong that it's just too hard for me to believe there's a god.
However, I certainly don't rule out the fact that there could be some sort of higher power, something bigger then you and me. Just not necessarily a god.
The whole idea of there being a god started b/c we humans used to make gods to justify why things happen. Then one day someone decided to reverse the script and said "you know what maybe I didnt make god, maybe god made me". It seemed pretty logical at the time, but that too to me seems too simple of an answer. Was I created by just one thing? And can we classify this thing as a god? And how do we know this thing is immortal? Why must this thing be up in the sky? Out there is space, and other worlds, and universes.

For those of you that do believe in fixed religion I can respect that. I know it gives faith and guidance to you when you need it.

One thing that puzzles me is the whole notion of prayer. Why do people feel the need to go to a temple or to prey a few times a day/week? Why is it mandatory? Why isnt it just enough to believe that this god you believe in exists?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Again, you guys might actually have an argument if you'd just refute some of the actual points that it made instead of emotively making sweeping generalizations.

i dont wish to argue this movie, it is beneath my concern.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont wish to argue this movie, it is beneath my concern.

So why are you mindlessly trying to discredit it as a whole, then? Simply because it defies your definition of what a "good documentary" is?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X So why are you mindlessly trying to discredit it as a whole, then? Simply because it defies your definition of what a "good documentary" is?

Unlike you, a lot of the people that watch this don’t see it as a "stepping stone" for more research; they see it as a final goal. Given the fallacies repeated I don’t like its sudden popularity with people who take it as gospel. It annoys me that people post how great it is, when it clearly fails ANY common-sense test for what a good documentary is all about. If I wanted to listen to a conspiracy speech with NO contrary viewpoints portrayed, id listen to steven jones.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont really care for the evolution of Christianity because i am an atheist.

double standards really ? You bash religions because they seem to have no rational basis. And here's something to think about and now you don't care because you are an atheist ? It's not really about the evolution of Christianity. It's about taking a logical and scientific look at a man claimed by millions to be a son of God, and claiming that he's nothing more than fiction. The author backs his claim by plenty of astronomical and historic evidence (source of which is sited on his website) and by the lack of evidence of the physical existence of this man whatsoever. It is up to you to check the credibility of his references. But surely it's not something to dismiss outright merely based on the fact that the documentary has no real "expert" who comes in front of the camera to speak. If he claims what he claims and backs it up by publishing a list of references, why is it not good enough to look into ? I wouldn't dismiss a documentary based just on the style of presentation.

Part 2 and 3 certainly appear more dubious, and I do not have a background in finance to understand the causes of the great depression. But certainly, part 1 is not to be dismissed outright.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Unlike you, a lot of the people that watch this don’t see it as a "stepping stone" for more research; they see it as a final goal. Given the fallacies repeated I don’t like its sudden popularity with people who take it as gospel. It annoys me that people post how great it is, when it clearly fails ANY common-sense test for what a good documentary is all about. If I wanted to listen to a conspiracy speech with NO contrary viewpoints portrayed, id listen to steven jones.

Perhaps due diligence / deliberation should be more greatly emphasized in contrast to the strictly opposite or fanatical polarization against it in it's entirety.

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Originally posted by Omega_M double standards really ? You bash religions because they seem to have no rational basis. And here's something to think about and now you don't care because you are an atheist ?

meaning, i dont really care about the supposed origins of christ, because i dont believe in christ to begin with, and given the lies that are repeated in part 2 of the program, i doubt the veracity of the arguments.

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But surely it's not something to dismiss outright merely based on the fact that the documentary has no real "expert" who comes in front of the camera to speak.

that's not the only reason i dismiss it. i dismiss it because it is a soapbox (however well argued i dont really care) and the tone used is really obnoxious, especially in part 1.

but ultimately, the fact that it repeats things i know not to be true (part 2) hardly gives me faith in the rest of the "study". its just good social science to present both sides, which he certainly does not.

its not a real documentary, it is a overly long rant about things that lack proper substantiation, and for that reason alone i will not respect it or spend time refuting the numerous points i feel are inaccurate.

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