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Originally posted by SpykeChyld Oil supplies are not even close to scarce. That is a bunch of post-Greenpeace propoganda.

there is about 40-50 years left worth of oil, not taking into account increased amounts of traffic, but which time the atmosphere will be fucked up already...

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The rest of the WORLD subsidizes AMERCICA's low oil prices!!!!

Have a fuckin look at other coutries prices! America has the highest pollution rate in proportion to size so don't go saying we're a huge country so we're obviously going to create more pullution, BOLLOCKS!!!

Personaly i can't believe ur whinging about ur prices!!

OK this is why I am pissed of about gas prices. During the conflict in Iraq few years ago gas companies were buying oil for twice the price they are buying it right now, and they could still sell it cheaper than they do now. They are fucking around with us, and they put the gas prices as like.

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I can see why you guys are getting pissed off at raising gas prices - your society was built over highways and personal cars, while the european society is more public transport oriented.

This has resulted in US&Canada being responsible for over a third of the carbon dioxide emissions released into our common atmosphere, with only 5% of the people..

I dont have a car, I'm not planning on getting one either. The 72 buslines, underground, 11 tramlines and 12 local trains in Helsinki (a city of 500k people) take me anywhere I need to go. The monthly ticket for these costs about 30 USD, which is a lot less than what I'd pay for car insurance, gas etc if I drove to work everyday.. I believe most big European cities have a good public transportation system.

i don't know why people are so worried about oil running out...

when oil runs out, we WILL have an alternative power source. shit, we could make one right now popular if the U.S. Gov. wasn't so influenced by the oil companies.

for christ sake, we put a man on a moon, made a nuke, all when we needed to. We don't NEED, nor want to popularize an alternative source, because we are so used to oil, and oil companies control so much.

but when oil runs out, we won't have to worry.

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there is about 40-50 years left worth of oil, not taking into account increased amounts of traffic, but which time the atmosphere will be fucked up already...

yes we are fucking up our Earth. of course, we are still going to get hundreds of years out of it, but still...
Humans are the worst race ever created on Earth, face it!

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Originally posted by apri_peel im simply sick of paying more and more for gas. in my city, its cheaper to drive to most places than it is to take the bus

that is the reason why gas is still too cheap for you.. if it were cheaper to take the bus than to drive, you would consider to take the bus, therefore preseving the environment..


how can you bitch about prices, yet say that it is still cheaper to take the bus?!?

I was in Hong Kong earlier this year and i must say that city is mad.. the air was really bad and dirty, but they learned.. It is very expensive to drive, but the public transportation system is awesome.. heck, i hate driving now. I wish there was similarily good public transportation elsewhere.. going home from clubs was easy, take a cab/ bus/ minibus or, if it was past 6 am agian, take the subway.. no designated driver NEEDED!!!

oh well

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Originally posted by davinox yes we are fucking up our Earth. of course, we are still going to get hundreds of years out of it, but still... Humans are the worst race ever created on Earth, face it!

hmmm, it would seem so wouldn't it? but tell me this, if we were to be invaded by an extra terrestrial race out there (and they do exist) then who would defend the earth? we're here for a reason. we just have to find a blance with nature so that we can reach that next level. and we're going to, it's just a matter of time.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 that is the reason why gas is still too cheap for you.. if it were cheaper to take the bus than to drive, you would consider to take the bus, therefore preseving the environment.. how can you bitch about prices, yet say that it is still cheaper to take the bus?!? I was in Hong Kong earlier this year and i must say that city is mad.. the air was really bad and dirty, but they learned.. It is very expensive to drive, but the public transportation system is awesome.. heck, i hate driving now. I wish there was similarily good public transportation elsewhere.. going home from clubs was easy, take a cab/ bus/ minibus or, if it was past 6 am agian, take the subway.. no designated driver NEEDED!!! oh well

i don't know about the prices of public transportation over where you live but here in vancouver, public transit costs have just continued to go up and up along with gas prices. not very encouraging if you ask me.

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Originally posted by M.A.R.K i don't know about the prices of public transportation over where you live but here in vancouver, public transit costs have just continued to go up and up along with gas prices. not very encouraging if you ask me.

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first of all, the public transit here sucks chiken balls. to make things worst, fairs have been going up and up and up like they are on fckin yiest. our city is divided up into 3 zones. one-zone fair costs $2, two and three zones are $3 and $4 respectively.
for some ppl here, to go to one part of the town would cost less to drive than to pay $8 for transit and have a bad experience of constantly waiting and walking long distances, not to mention wasting lots of time
the reason i bitch about gas prices is b/c they are growing as well.
the company that runs the transit system here also gets a certain percentage as a tax from every liter of gasoline sold.
i just dont think its fair, thats all. i didnt mind back when gas cost a reasonable price, i never bitched until they started fcking around

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Originally posted by M.A.R.K i don't know about the prices of public transportation over where you live but here in vancouver, public transit costs have just continued to go up and up along with gas prices. not very encouraging if you ask me.

well, inflation is a bitch as they say, right? I mean everything gets more expensice (let's not include computers here) so why should public transportation not get more expensive?

in Frankfurt it is a freaking ripoff too, but it is not as bad as in vancouver i guess...

you see it is a chicken + egg problem, since there are not that many people using the public transportation, since it is inconvenient, they are not making a lot of $$. hence, they need to raise prices to make money.

as soon as they raise prices, less people will use it..

now you might say, why don't they lower the prices, so that more people use it, so that they make more profit?
they would, but the problem is the so calle price elasticity. Since you say that the public transportation is inconvenient (or at least apri_peel does). if apri would do the calculations, i am pretty sure that in the end, she would save money taking the public transport to work and back every day, but she percieves it to be more expensive than her car, because public transport is inconvenient. Therefore, the price of public transportation would have to be much lower, in order to get more people to take it.
Even if public transportation were free, I am sure that there would still be people driving their cars to work. So not matter how low the price, there would be a number of people not using it. Therefore, the transportation company has decided to set the prices to their current level, so that they can operate profitably.

If the price of gasoline rises, which might not affect the public transportation company as much as it will affect apri, she might start to realize that the public transportation is cheaper, and she, amongst other people, will be using that. When there are more people using the public transport, they will generate more profits, therefore will be able to provide either cheaper prices, or better/ more routes and increased frequency, therefore leading to more customer satisfaction...

NOTE: Apri, I am in no way trying to pick on you, i am just using you as an example. I hope that it does not personally offend you, as it is not intended to. I hope you don't mind

now, in Hong Kong, public transportation is still pretty expensive (you can pay ~1-2 US$ for a single ride subway ticket), but there are so many people using it, that during the hours of operation (6 am - 1am) you will never need to wait for more than 5 mins for a subway.. and busses are about as abundand, and much cheaper too. At some point in time, the Hong Kong goverment made a choice -and i think it was a good one- to increase the price for regular gasoline (I think they pay US$ ~2 / liter) plus raising taxes on automobiles as well. The reason for this was the air pollutions. it has forced many people to switch to the public transportation ...

given the pop. density in HK is much higher than in Vancouver etc..

anyhow, i hope you see my point..

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I remember a few years back, when gas here in calgary(very oil oriented) was 45 cents a litre. We cried outrage when it hit 50 cents a litre, now it hover @ 64.

but guess what? its all taxes. the price of crude hasnt changed that much. but gasoline has a sin tax now. just like liquor and smoking etc.

meh....if u wanna use gas, be prepared to pay the price.

altho I wish I had better public transit. monthly passes are $60 and going up, and transit sux ass.

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