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Originally posted by Trancer-X Perhaps nobody really even cares about the fact that they've been lied to for most of their lives

Aren't lies inherent to politics though?

(Most of the time I find myself choosing who lied the least when I vote...kinda sad really)

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Aren't lies inherent to politics though? (Most of the time I find myself choosing who lied the least when I vote...kinda sad really)

I have to agree. I also don't think it's too hard to distinguish between a lie which tries to save ones own face such as,

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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" - Wm J. Clinton

and a pernicious lie which might ultimately embroil an entire country in a surreptitiously engineered war such as the one we're in now.

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"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida." - Pres. Bush in his State of the Union Address (January 28, 2003)

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Prewar intelligence doubted al-Qaida link to Iraq, report says (link)

I mean geez, even a famous propagandist like Ed Bernay's had some ethics...

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The Ethics of Persuasion: Some Guidelines by Edward L. Bernays Do Not Use False Evidence Do Not Use Illogical, Unsupported Reasoning Do Not Falsely Represent Yourself Do Not Conceal Your Purpose or Interest Do Not Cover Up Consequences Do Not Use Baseless Emotional Appeals Do Not Oversimplify Complex Situations Do Not Pretend Certainty Do Not Advocate What You Don't Believe Yourself

propaganda only affects feeble minded sheep.......





and this guy

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Originally posted by LazFX propaganda only affects feeble minded sheep....... and this guy

Yeah, I can see you've already fallen for it

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I'm really happy that I found that now as I hadn't previously heard of The Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 (22 U.S.C. '1461) You learn something new everyday

I don't see why the US citizen should have to pay taxes for any system which we are unaware of its operation.

The government should find a way to fund itself if it wants to classify information, else we have a right to know what's going on.

It's like hiring someone to do a job without a resume, interview, or any prior information except that you have the inkling that they're not trustworthy or safe.

It's already messed up enough that if the government wants to perform an action outside of its jurisdiction, it simply contracts a 3rd party to do so.

If we get another neocon as president (namely Guiliani), I'm withholding my income taxes. And if the IRS comes to my door, I'm just gonna tell them to stick my W2 right up their asses!!

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Originally posted by LazFX propaganda only affects feeble minded sheep.......

That sounds like something Judge Napolitano was just saying...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM

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Originally posted by Trancer-X and of course it goes a lot further than just the media just one quick example: PENTAGON SUED FOR RECORDS ON PROPAGANDA, PSY-OPS AND “PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT” TARGETTING U.S. CIVILIANS http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_4303.shtml

I wish more people would do their homework on all of this.

In his farewell speech, President Eisenhower alluded to the fact that our counrty's liberty could be dependent on our having an enlightened and informed populace but how informed are we, really, when everybody gets their little sliver of prepackaged and sanitized news from the mainstream corporate media? A series of sound bites, slogans and catchy phrases (like "Fair and Balanced") which seems as if it's meant to hypnotize much more than it is to inform.

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"There is, of course, no reason why the new totalitarians should resemble the old. Governments by clubs and firing squads, by artificial famine, mass imprisonment and mass deportation, is not merely inhuman (nobody cares much about that nowadays); it is demonstrably inefficient and in an age of advanced technology, inefficiency is the sin against the Holy Ghost. A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors, and school teachers…" - Aldous Huxley

This documentary by GlobalVision Productions details the bias, propaganda, and failure of the mainstream American media to provide objective, independent news coverage in the lead up to the 2003 Iraq invasion and subsequent aftermath. It also details the Bush Administration's management of "public relations" to ensure a climate of blind patriotism which clouded journalism to the point in which skeptical and critical viewpoints were ignored for the right-wing agenda of pre-emptive war as a valid foreign policy instrument.

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Originally posted by Krypton This documentary by GlobalVision Productions details the bias, propaganda, and failure of the mainstream American media to provide objective, independent news coverage in the lead up to the 2003 Iraq invasion and subsequent aftermath. It also details the Bush Administration's management of "public relations" to ensure a climate of blind patriotism which clouded journalism to the point in which skeptical and critical viewpoints were ignored for the right-wing agenda of pre-emptive war as a valid foreign policy instrument. [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Thank you for posting that!