Also here is a thing that is important. The more technology progresses, the less it will rely on humanity, and so you can imagine music created and deejayed without people. And it also makes sense from a market standpoint. But the problem is the ritual of a party, the ritual of dancing, is something innately human, and so at a point I feel like technology will take us as far as we are willing to go.

Unless becoming less human and more machine is something fashionable in the future?

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Originally posted by nefardec Also here is a thing that is important. The more technology progresses, the less it will rely on humanity, and so you can imagine music created and deejayed without people. And it also makes sense from a market standpoint. But the problem is the ritual of a party, the ritual of dancing, is something innately human, and so at a point I feel like technology will take us as far as we are willing to go. Unless becoming less human and more machine is something fashionable in the future?

I'm sorry to answer your question with another question but.. Does becoming 'more machine' imply that we become less human? After all isn't the machine a product of human thinking, and therefore an extension of our humanity?

In relation to your first point; Music that relies less on human intervention would be a contradictory concept. The machines are autonomous, but they're still a tool created by humans. Maybe a better way to describe it would be "music that is created by indirect human intervention"?

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Yes, technically you're right, but I think you got what I meant when you said that about it being "indirect".

I am talking more about a tangible sense of human interaction, like if you can see a DJ smiling at you, or you know the producer personally, etc.

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Does becoming 'more machine' imply that we become less human? After all isn't the machine a product of human thinking, and therefore an extension of our humanity?

Yeah that's a good point, and one reason while I added that caveat about being "fashionable", because people in the future might also believe this point you make and then embrace more machines in their lives and bodies.

Of course everything we do is human, even if indirect, so maybe this is the illusory "barrier" that prevents us from continuing to embrace technology - we're afraid to cross the historical (but theoretically nonexistent) barrier between man and machine

You and I are among the first generations to really grow up with technology being an important and essential part of our lives, so it's often easy to forget how recent this is on a societal scale. It's been mentioned in a few posts above how technology has become a more casual thing, so if the trend continues, then I could definately see our culture adopting that mindset.

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Originally posted by nefardec But the problem is the ritual of a party, the ritual of dancing, is something innately human, and so at a point I feel like technology will take us as far as we are willing to go.

I think this would bring some good things too. Sure, the human element would be gone and it seems like a logical following when we've already separated music and it's physical data medium. But I can see the party deejayed by a machine as some kind of returning to the roots. There would be no fixation on the dj, the cult of a man (woman) standing on a pedestal would exist no more and people could return back to the good old rave mode where the music coming out of speakers was the only thing that mattered.

Of course it probably won't be that ideal but there is hope.

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Originally posted by paulandrews There would be no fixation on the dj, the cult of a man (woman) standing on a pedestal would exist no more and people could return back to the good old rave mode where the music coming out of speakers was the only thing that mattered.

"Hey man, are you going to see NRZ-T60023 this Saturday?!"

"Hell yeah! NRZ-T60023 plays all the hot ch00nz!!!"

[At the event, NRZ-T60023, with smooth mechanical movements, does the Jesus pose and flashes a robotic smile at all the humans, who raise their arms and sway during the extended supersaw breakdown.]

that's so depressing lol

but you're completely right


plus his arms could extend during the jesus pose and light on fire

Oh the possibilities!

Yeah.

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Awe-fucking-some article, so interesting. I loved this part:

"And as techno and house continue to blur, it seems that fewer and fewer people are interested in differentiating even between those two major pillars of electronic music."

And that is soooo true people are more worried about what is minimal and what is tech-house than simply relying on edm subgenres as house and techno.

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Originally posted by nefardec Do we not want to make new things because the old paradigm is still working for us? Still making us happy? People are still finding dance music anew even though many of us realize it is old... And for those who have been in it long enough to be nostalgic, are they living in the past? I started a topic a while ago called 'music is obsolete' that sort of was about my concern for the lack of substantive innovation in music in our contemporary global society. If the cutting edge has always been about succombing to technology, subverting technology, or creation through error, or the freak results of new systems, what is today's cutting edge?

Great reply to the article as well. I haven't been listening to EDM all that long to even give a worthy comment but I think that current EDM still makes a lot of people happy, at least that's how I feel about it. And people that are usually sick of EDM just go on to other things and refuse to do anything about it. So unless somebody does something about it it will just consist of the people who are happy with it. EDM does sound really recycled at this day in age but then again it depends what you are into. I'm sure if you are looking for something innovative and look into IDM and Experimental you'll be satisfied for at least a short while..

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BRILLIANT, how is this not all over the news??

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