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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox The problems not the sound card. And as shitty as you say Realteck is I never had a problem on my laptop with it in anyway, which is why I don't care for buying a better one.

Ok. For a start, Realtek produce many different sound cards. Infact, Realtek don't even produce soundcards at all, they just produce the chipsets. Hence, whatever is in this computer is probably shitter than the shit that was in your laptop.

Now... Since you've never used a pro sound card, you obviously have no idea what the benefits are. I am going to tell you now, so you can save yourself the trouble: they're better and they're worth it. As it stands, the sound card inside your current PC is the bottleneck. Not the CPU, not the RAM, not the hard drive. It was also the bottleneck in your laptop, you just didn't realise it - because you're really well informed and not ignorant at all!

Don't bother comming back to this forum unless you want to listen. Diginut is 100% right on everything he said... unless you have messed up your computer somehow and it actually is screwed.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox the only software that was installed was windows xp and virus protection (same basics on my laptop).

Ok... Lets start with the operating system.

First off, you bought a barebones kit, which usually (err.. almost always) does not come with a CD that has Windows XP with the hardware drivers already integrated into the installation media.

This means you've yet to install the proper drivers for your motherboard, which means you are using Microsoft-supplied drivers for your hardware, which was built after Windows XP shipped. So, you are likely running out-of-date, possibly invalid drivers.

Go here:
http://www.machspeed.com/specs/matr...890.htm#drivers

Install each driver package. Reboot after each installation to be safe.

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When I said it had the same card as my laptop I meant that I'm using Realteck HD audio output on both.

"Realtek HD" is the CONSUMER BRAND NAME for a number of audio chips marketed by Realtek. These are some of the most horrible devices out there, they require alot of attention from the main CPU. They also lack ASIO drivers. You should seriously consider getting a decent soundboard if you intend to do much production work... especially if you value hearing the note you pressed sometime before you press the next one.

go here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=2&GetDown=true

"Realtek HD" is, in all reality, just a piece of software that works with a bunch of software-based audio chips.

And not just realtek chips. Both Intel and Via chipsets have integrated AC97 audio CODECs that use Realtek's HD software under licesnse.

As in the VT8237A southbridge on your mobo:
http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/southbridge/vt8237a/audio.jsp

Go grab the audio drivers as linked above at mach speed's site. you will see they are Via "Vinyl" audio drivers, which will properly support the VT8237A southbridge-integrated audio CODEC.

What model laptop did you have, anyways?

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The one thing he mentioned was the bios (like somebody said) but than he mentioned why it wouldnt be the bios and had some long explanation why (that I can't remember).

There are a number of settings in the BIOS configuration utility, accessable on bootup, that may possibly realize a minor performance increase if you tweak them, but the likelihood of these settings causing a major performance problem is pretty low with modern motherboards.

speak of motherboards, what possessed you to go with a "mach speed" motherboard? Just FYI, these dolts are from some backwoods oklahoma town best known for hosting the headquarters of an indian tribe, who knows what shady asian OEM actually built the motherboard for them. Personally, I'd throw that board in the trash and get something from a more reputable vendor, Intel, Asus or Gigabyte come to mind.

The other problem with this board is it has integrated video. This is a no-no for digital audio workstations, as it wastes cpu->memory bus bandwidth by sharing the system memory for both data and video storage. This is called UMA (Unified Memory Architecture) which means the main system memory is also used for video, unlike with a dedicated video card which has it's own memory. UMA video subsystems also offload a good chunk of the video processing to the main CPU. Just another good reason to throw away that board.

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I've ran bench marks that rate it a 1300 though and my laptop an 800. So I cannot figure out how its still running so much slower than my laptop.

Benchmark numbers are largely irrelevant unless the benchmark test is tailored to the sort of load the computer will actually be running.

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wayyy less $$ at bestbuy and still got a faster crappy dell with a lot slower hardware specs.

How much did you pay for this barebones deal anyways?

faster crappy dell with slower hardware specs.. uhmm.. are we living in a parallel universe today, or did that just seem like a paradoxical statement?

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I'm going to bring it back to my brother to see if he can fix it and if not I'm selling it on ebay.

I smell a future apple customer.

Last edited by MERiDiAN5i2 on Nov-04-2007 at 06:12

Your new PC is a piece of shit as far as music prod goes.I just cant believe u didnt do some research before u spent your cash.Flog it on Ebay and go buy a core 2 duo u fool.

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Ok the computer is not an emachine its a clone or a noname. My brothers going to look at it today.
Meridian THANK YOU for actually trying to break things down to me I appreciate it. I'm going to have my brother read what you wrote just to see what he says.

Please be sure to let us know what your brother finds. Since you've flat-out rejected our repeated assertion that your sound card is the problem, I'm sure we'd all be very interested in hearing what the problem really was.

(Probably just some silly old BIOS setting, I'm sure! )

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I just wanted to post an update for those who participated in this thread.
I've wasted a lot of time researching what could have possibly been wrong and today I finally decided I was going to sell the computer on ebay.
Well my brother asked to see the computer before I decided to sell it. He's the one who I said knows everything about computers. He read all the responses in this thread and just shook his head no. He explained how benchmarks ARE relevant but that the average person doesn't know how to run them outside the operating system so thats why I had no purpose doing them.
He also explained how a soundcard would be beneficial but also why he knew that wasn't the problem and that anyone trying to diagnose my problem in a forum would essentially be wasting thier time because they couldn't have any idea unless they could actually look at my computer.
Well long story short he ran the official benchmark software on my computer and saw it was operating wayyy below its capabilities which I already knew by using it but the benchmark software I had used said it was running at full speed which wasn't the case.
It took him about 2 seconds to go into the bios and reset the computer to its default settings. Than we reran the bench mark and it was running at its full speed.
So I went into Fruity to compare it to my laptop and it was absurdly quick like I knew it should be. Than I realized I had to reset it to multithread and the cpu instantly dropped like another 10 units. So now the computer is running extraordinarily quick and I'll be keeping it for a long time. I'm happy I bought it, I would def recommend the specific clone I bought to anyone. Its wayyy faster than my laptop and I spent a lot less for it too.
Thanks everyone who tried to help I appreciate it.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Please be sure to let us know what your brother finds. Since you've flat-out rejected our repeated assertion that your sound card is the problem, I'm sure we'd all be very interested in hearing what the problem really was. (Probably just some silly old BIOS setting, I'm sure! )

Thats funny, you were being sarcastic & thats exactly what it was. But hey, you tried.

thank god for official benchmark software

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by palm i have the same problem about audiostutering on my new comp, it makes me even mader caus i bought stuff that supposed to work awesome: asus p5k, intel Q6600, corsair ram, SATA HD. first problem i had when installing this shit: SATA-disk couldnt be found so i had to install windows on my old HD. next problem: drivers for internal soundcard doesnt work. fuck it im not going to use it anyway so I installed my drivers for my echo audiocard. that works perfectly superfast respons etc, but sometimes stutter (if i open up some programs while playing music) never happened before on my old comp. BUT good side is I can finaly run reason 4 (somehow I couldnt before). antoerh great thing reaper with 12audio inputs at 48kHz and 6 midichannels out works at 5,4ms latenvy!! awesome. but the stutering still happends every 5th second or so, maybe 10th. Im gonna read the sticky real thight tonite and if I dont figure it out after that i dont know what to do. could the MB be broken? how the hell do I reset it?

i don't want to bash reaper (otherwise echosystm will jump on me ) but i had similiar problems with ultra low latency. with something like 12ms it usually works great. but cubase runs with 6ms fine on the same system.

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Originally posted by thecYrus i don't want to bash reaper (otherwise echosystm will jump on me ) but i had similiar problems with ultra low latency. with something like 12ms it usually works great. but cubase runs with 6ms fine on the same system.

lols

I had big problems with Reaper at low latency under Vista. In XP it seems quite good though (with an AudioFire4), but I definately don't get it as low as Cubase. It's probably about 2ms difference. I can live with that.

The biggest problem with Reaper is stability. There are still alot of VSTs that don't work and it tends to be a bit temperamental for some people.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.