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Originally posted by George Smiley Just goes to prove what everybody knows: NOBODY in the world likes students!

Anyway, Chaves is not happy with Brazil any more. We found a huge reserve here, ant it seems we can become the world's 8th greatest oil exporter... which is not far from another South American country

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Originally posted by Lira Anyway, Chaves is not happy with Brazil any more. We found a huge reserve here, ant it seems we can become the world's 8th greatest oil exporter... which is not far from another South American country

But what happens when the Brazilian government decide to spend the oil wealth on their citizens instead of allowed it to filter away through American oil corporations? Then, you'll technically be living in a "dictatorship"!

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Originally posted by George Smiley But what happens when the Brazilian government decide to spend the oil wealth on their citizens instead of allowed it to filter away through American oil corporations? Then, you'll technically be living in a "dictatorship"!

LOL , I want my Hugo Watch too George !

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Originally posted by George Smiley But what happens when the Brazilian government decide to spend the oil wealth on their citizens instead of allowed it to filter away through American oil corporations? Then, you'll technically be living in a "dictatorship"!

Oh my Gah!

No, but really, George, the situation in Venezuela is not like that at all. I don't really have the time to write a report on Venezuela as seen by someone living in South America, but I'll just say that I wish Venezuelans a life without Chavez.

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Originally posted by Lira Oh my Gah! No, but really, George, the situation in Venezuela is not like that at all. I don't really have the time to write a report on Venezuela as seen by someone living in South America, but I'll just say that I wish Venezuelans a life without Chavez.

No doubt Chavez will there like a dirty shirt to council the Brazilians on Amerika's evil pig-dog capitalists ways...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r No doubt Chavez will there like a dirty shirt to council the Brazilians on Amerika's evil pig-dog capitalists ways...

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Originally posted by Lira I'll just say that I wish Venezuelans a life without Chavez.

Shame the Venezuelans seemingly don't want a life without Chavez!

And which Venezuelans are you referring to? The rich ones or the poor ones?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Shame the Venezuelans seemingly don't want a life without Chavez! And which Venezuelans are you referring to? The rich ones or the poor ones?

I'm referring to Venezuelans in general, regardless of class. His supporters from the lower class don't even seem to be the majority among those in need, which is something we should all think about.

Chavez is quite frequently on the news here for systematically clamping down on any kind of opposition or criticism. Naturally, among rich Venezuelans, you can see it as he closes TV channels and such but how can you listen to the poor when they don't have the chance to speak?

That referendum, George, has nothing to do with democracy.

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Originally posted by Lira I'm referring to Venezuelans in general, regardless of class. His supporters from the lower class don't even seem to be the majority among those in need, which is something we should all think about. Chavez is quite frequently on the news here for systematically clamping down on any kind of opposition or criticism. Naturally, among rich Venezuelans, you can see it as he closes TV channels and such but how can you listen to the poor when they don't have the chance to speak? That referendum, George, has nothing to do with democracy.

Closing down TV channels eh? Think that accusation has been done and dusted! As have all the other accusations you have no doubt seen in your media.

Tell me, what is the relationship between the Brazilian government and the Venezuelan government...?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Closing down TV channels eh? Think that accusation has been done and dusted! As have all the other accusations you have no doubt seen in your media.

Has it?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Tell me, what is the relationship between the Brazilian government and the Venezuelan government...?

It's pretty messy. The Brazilian government has been trying to develop Mercosur (Mercosul in Portuguese), and Venezuela would be a great partner, if it weren't for Chavez who has been giving us Brazilian some headache.

Recently, Chavez has already called Lula "oil magnate" and is really excited about us joining the OPEC... but, as you can read in the first article, our leaders know he makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Lira Has it?

Yep! You're referring to RCTV which has not been shut down at all, but that's how it was reported at the time. The truth is, their licence to broadcast on the second frequency ran out and the government wanted to use that frequency for a state TV channel (to "increase democracy of the airwaves" apparently). RCTV was able to continue broadcasting (which it is doing), just not on that frequency. But that didn't stop all the world's media reporting Chavez had undemocratically "shut down" opposition media!

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It's pretty messy. The Brazilian government has been trying to develop Mercosur (Mercosul in Portuguese), and Venezuela would be a great partner, if it weren't for Chavez who has been giving us Brazilian some headache. Recently, Chavez has already called Lula "oil magnate" and is really excited about us joining the OPEC... but, as you can read in the first article, our leaders know he makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

So you'd say the Brazilian government and media don't look too kindly on Chavez...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Yep! You're referring to RCTV which has not been shut down at all, but that's how it was reported at the time. The truth is, their licence to broadcast on the second frequency ran out and the government wanted to use that frequency for a state TV channel (to "increase democracy of the airwaves" apparently). RCTV was able to continue broadcasting (which it is doing), just not on that frequency. But that didn't stop all the world's media reporting Chavez had undemocratically "shut down" opposition media!

Source? As I recall it, Venezuela has more than enough state TV channels.

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Originally posted by George Smiley So you'd say the Brazilian government and media don't look too kindly on Chavez...

It's not clear-cut. Our government does see Venezuela as a partner, but there's an ongoing debate on how our government should deal with this. Our media is also puzzled. They're a neighbour we'd rather be friends with, but Chavez is not really cooperating.

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