In the 1970's it was Global Cooling and how the world is freezing, I say Global Warming is happening naturally.

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Originally posted by occrider Perhaps I'm out of context since I don't participate in these forums much more, but I thought the "global cooling" myth has been thoroughly debunked: http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/ In how many scientific journals was this theory advocated? What's dumb about the global cooling "argument" and how does it synonomously relate to the global warming argument? You don't go into specifics, but with such claims you need to.

Whoa, whoa, whoa ... I almost missed this (your) post. First of all, I am not talking about the upcoming Ice Age or mini one just to let you know, as that article points out. There a hell of a difference between a mini Ice Age and global cooling. Do you want me to get into the specs?

Just because that article from some hot-shot newspaper that I never liked said in 1970s that global cooling was gonna happen and it didnt in 2000, doesnt mean that global cooling is debunked and its over and done with. There are a lot of different scientists and journalists who will always be talking about, support their sides of this climate change issue. It just happened to be that National Geographic had some pretty bad data analyzing and predictions abilities, contributed by extrapolating - just like the current predictions will likely turn out to be false in the near future. Climate, just like predicting the weather, is a big gamble, especially long-term. Because the main extrapolation in this case is the main emphasis just on greenhouse gases, which is a big mistake.

But, I am not telling all the global warming supporters to drop their banners and run and flag my campaign - I am not a dictator, I am just trying to represent my side. Its good to consider both sides of this issue, because the biggest problem that can happen in the near future is that global warming fanatics can turn out to be badly wrong in their assumptions, and humankind and environment will pay a huge price for that mistake. Just be warned, and keep your ears open.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the non-experts that present opinions on the subject are arrogant in the extreme. it's on par with telling doctors smoking doesn't cause cancer, or civil engineers the towers didn't come down by gravity.

...yet its amazing how many will listen to Gore...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...yet its amazing how many will listen to Gore...

Gore's campaign is really just to bring awareness to the issue. Gore didn't make all the global warming "stuff" up for his personal amusement. The scientific consensus really is against the Rush Limbaugh global warming deniers...

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Originally posted by Krypton Gore's campaign is really just to bring awareness to the issue. Gore didn't make all the global warming "stuff" up for his personal amusement. The scientific consensus really is against the Rush Limbaugh global warming deniers...

Awareness doesn't justify a Nobel peace prize in my eyes.
The man talks out both sides of his mouth.
If he's half as intelligent as some people seem to think he is, he should know that real leaders lead by example.
Nor do they profit while wrapping themselves in a blanket of guilt.
Granted he has at least made people think but he certainly hasn't gone down the right road in doing it.
It's the manufacturers we should be going after; not by taxing them to death but by offering large incentives to those that go the Green route. Going (and blaming) the customer is putting the cart before the horse.

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Al Gore was a vice president of the world's most powerful country for 8 years. How many environmental laws / regulations has he passed, put into force during that time? Did he put into force the Kyoto Protocol in 1990s, the one that he loves so much? Al Gore failed before, and he will fail again. He had his chances, and he blew it. Never trust politicians.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Al Gore was a vice president of the world's most powerful country for 8 years. How many environmental laws / regulations has he passed, put into force during that time? Did he put into force the Kyoto Protocol in 1990s, the one that he loves so much? Al Gore failed before, and he will fail again. He had his chances, and he blew it. Never trust politicians.

that's certainly a valid criticism, but democracies are all about compromise; not doing anything for a particular cause does not mean the desire wasn't there. now gore has the freedom to say/do what he wants. im not going to bash the guy for his uselessness within the constrains of office if he's now having a go. better late than never...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that's certainly a valid criticism, but democracies are all about compromise; not doing anything for a particular cause does not mean the desire wasn't there. now gore has the freedom to say/do what he wants. im not going to bash the guy for his uselessness within the constrains of office if he's now having a go. better late than never...

Al Gore is an idiot. He knows that Kyoto Protocol is failing and he's still going with it. A bit dumb, I suppose. Its almost like Al Gore has some agenda here ... oh wait, he does have an agenda! To make money off this whole thing ;-)

I have read Al Gore's books, like Earth In The Balance. Thats the Al Gore that I liked. He actually talked about environmental problems there, like alarming destruction of rainforests, pollution, and the the Soviet blunders of the Aral Sea disaster, and others. But then he added the global warming twist to it later on, he used pretty words to pit global warming on many things ... I think Al Gore lost his mind a bit and became a bit delusional / paranoid after he was cheated out of presidency, and so he decided to steal some thunder back using nonconventional means. Plus accepting the Nobel Peace Prize for his work ... for what??? Its almost like a one mean joke.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Awareness doesn't justify a Nobel peace prize in my eyes. The man talks out both sides of his mouth. If he's half as intelligent as some people seem to think he is, he should know that real leaders lead by example. Nor do they profit while wrapping themselves in a blanket of guilt. Granted he has at least made people think but he certainly hasn't gone down the right road in doing it. It's the manufacturers we should be going after; not by taxing them to death but by offering large incentives to those that go the Green route. Going (and blaming) the customer is putting the cart before the horse.

Ok, now you're talking about how we deal with global warming. Good, great! That's really not what Gore is all about. He simply wants average folks who really don't pay attention to world events to at least be aware of global warming, to make them conscious about it. Why would Gore go to the corporations? Is he going to help set up LIVE8 concerts for Exxon Mobile workers? Are you going to trust corporations to clamor for conservation, or are you going to trust "the people", the grass roots level of the masses? Gore, by using the mass media has certainly brought awareness to the collective thoughts of the masses. Who better than him anyways? Are most people going to pay attention to boring old scientific university committees or a charismatic ex-politician?

I especially love how the right wing talk radio guys just love bashing Gore's life style, as if this proves global warming doesn't exist. Can't they find at least 1 scientifically reviewed viewpoint debunking the arguments Gore demonstrates? Or are they just gonna keep on with the childish rhetoric of bashing the guy, so what he says won't even register??

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Whoa, whoa, whoa ... I almost missed this (your) post. First of all, I am not talking about the upcoming Ice Age or mini one just to let you know, as that article points out. There a hell of a difference between a mini Ice Age and global cooling. Do you want me to get into the specs? Just because that article from some hot-shot newspaper that I never liked said in 1970s that global cooling was gonna happen and it didnt in 2000, doesnt mean that global cooling is debunked and its over and done with. There are a lot of different scientists and journalists who will always be talking about, support their sides of this climate change issue. It just happened to be that National Geographic had some pretty bad data analyzing and predictions abilities, contributed by extrapolating - just like the current predictions will likely turn out to be false in the near future. Climate, just like predicting the weather, is a big gamble, especially long-term. Because the main extrapolation in this case is the main emphasis just on greenhouse gases, which is a big mistake. But, I am not telling all the global warming supporters to drop their banners and run and flag my campaign - I am not a dictator, I am just trying to represent my side. Its good to consider both sides of this issue, because the biggest problem that can happen in the near future is that global warming fanatics can turn out to be badly wrong in their assumptions, and humankind and environment will pay a huge price for that mistake. Just be warned, and keep your ears open.

What? You said a lot of things, but I'm looking for one thing: in how many accredited scientific journals are your theories being advocated?

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