only a moron would start a thread like this

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Originally posted by Boomer187 welcome to my group of friends. You have just replaced stren

I was your friend ?

GREAT SUCCESS !

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Going against the grain is a common method used by people who want to seem more intelligent. See: hypercorrection, conspiracy theorists, teenagers.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Despite this though, the problems that might very well arise with an entire generation of isolated individuals does seem somewhat apparent.

Yeah, there was a study or article stating that people are less able to deal with other people that they don't particularly like these days. This is because our social circles are becoming much more exclusive, consisting almost entirely of people that are similar to us or have a high compatibility with us.

I remember it stating something like: If you choose to never interact with people who aren't like you, then you'll never learn how to properly deal with them when you are forced to. The internet is slowly making people socially retarded, in a nutshell.

Edit: It's not just the internet. Parents are mollycoddling their children, and our society is more suspicious and paranoid than before.

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Last edited by Akridrot on Nov-19-2007 at 21:03

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Originally posted by Omega_M That would not be self control at all, but rather social inhibition as you just said. Social inhibitions are compulsions and in these cases, the abstinence is not willing. Willing abstinence is something that would require "self control". It is where your long term goals and your character will prevent you from indulging in impulse (or any other) activities that give short term joy, but cost you in the long run. This requires a lot more efforts and is different from social inhibition. In that case, you face social consequences for indulging in the activity. In this case, you have to face no one but yourself.

Yes, but I am questioning whether or not intentional abstinence, a practice of self-control, completely independent of social influence, is even possible. I am well aware that many people draw a distinction between the two, but I very much doubt the genuineness in some people, especially when there is, in fact, motive (deterrence or encouragement) on a social sense to be something - even if it is merely a projection of overdeveloped spiritual productivity. I am not saying it is impossible. I am merely saying that it is extremely rare, at most.

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Whether productivity is a social projection or not would depend on the individual's goals and desires. Monks who meditate in the high Himalayas, disconnected from the society will also have a sense of productivity if they move towards their spiritual goals. Their innate desires transcend your so called innate desires. These concepts are pretty much subjective. I don't see any generalization in this.

Monks are not disconnected from society. Perhaps society outside of their own order, but they still uphold traditions as a result of social programming. The movement towards spiritual goals within their society IS encouraged on a social level - are monks really who you think of when you imagine ideal individual goals? I assure you, they are very much a social organism: dressing alike, chanting alike, working alike and praying alike, they are quite possibly the quintessential like-mind and say very little about self-control and intentional abstinence for the sake of higher intelligence or enlightenment. I am well aware of Buddha's tenets of self-deprivation; it's an institution that is the unfortunate antithesis towards overindulgent western aims, admittedly, but an opposition nevertheless.

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Originally posted by Dervish Yeah it's very true. People then to define them selfs as what they are not rather than what they are. Basically to have someone to look down on.

I don't know whether I should despise or pity this kind of people

edit: fixed... hopefully

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Last edited by Lira on Nov-20-2007 at 01:03

i basically think everything i do just oozes intelligence doesnt make me right, and i know i couldn't possibly be as smart as i think i am.

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Originally posted by Lira These are the people I don't know whether I should despise or pity

Those are the statements that I read four times and decide that there had to have been some sort of grammatical error or I'm a wet lymph node because I have no idea what he was trying to say.

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Originally posted by Lira These are the people I don't know whether I should despise or pity

Why? Surely what someone is not is every bit as important to their identity as what they are?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Why? Surely what someone is not is every bit as important to their identity as what they are?

I guess my last post was kinda bad... I meant to keep Dervish's idea that they those people had to look down on someone else, and that's the thing I find deplorable.

But I failed at that

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It's far more fun though to join in and absolutely wreck things you don't like. Admittedly it's a lot more effort, but far more effective (and amusing) than simply not playing at all. Not playing because 'aw I don't like it', then having a blubbery pout is just avoidance more than any concerted effort to actually change yourself or your surroundings to something you're more comfortable with.

i used to think of shit like mr jingles does and think i was smart, but i then realised it was all nonsense.

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Alan Greenspan is well-known to speak in empty rhetoric: the process of saying something that appears intelligible, but actually says nothing.

It just so happens that the hobbies you mentioned are just likely to be counter-productive to fostering intelligence, with the exception of classical as a genre of music to listen to.

If someone can make a solid argument that those hobbies are lack there-of is making them more intelligent, I will probably tip my hat to them.