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Originally posted by Stasis ... Just don't tell me that I'm being rejected for the language I speak ...

hell no, everone here can guarantee that,

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Originally posted by Stasis or the country I was born in

as long as you were not born in texas

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Originally posted by Tom Paris hell no, everone here can guarantee that, as long as you were not born in texas

Agreed!

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Originally posted by Stasis I'm sorry, I'm didn't mean to get into a legal argument over a technicality, but a nightclub, like most other businesses, is legally "public" despite being privately owned. In this sense, McDonald's is public, Starbucks is public, the movie theater is public, and Berghain is public. Unless a nightclub takes a number of steps like requiring an application process and issuing membership cards, it's not a private club in the legal sense. Berghain is still relying on people off the streets ('the public') to fill its club, rather than a pre-set member list, and thus is a public institution.

one word: bullshit.
have a laugh and try to enter some of the nicer shops on rodeo drive and see if the doorman even lets you get near the door
or try to get into a 5-star-restaurant looking like a crackhead (and not being pete).
let´s see if your idea of a public institution is then enforced in the states. i´d be surprised.

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And the point is moot anyway (at least in the US)

then come to grips that you are in some other country and not in the states. you might notice that despite what you might think that different countries have different laws.

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I really am over the Berghain thing I guess--if I was rejected for not being cool enough

and that´s probably the main point why you don´t get it - Berghain and pretty much most other clubs do not select because you are not "cool" enough but because you won´t fit in on this or that night. be it too many guys in the club, too many gays, too many girls, too many foreigners, whatever.

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Originally posted by NetX one word: bullshit. have a laugh and try to enter some of the nicer shops on rodeo drive and see if the doorman even lets you get near the door or try to get into a 5-star-restaurant looking like a crackhead (and not being pete). let´s see if your idea of a public institution is then enforced in the states. i´d be surprised.

Those examples you gave only support my point, which apparently you missed. Public institutions have great leeway in allowing or denying entrance to individuals for a variety of reasons (such as looking like a crackhead or simply not looking cool). However, they can't reject you for being a woman, for being Jewish, for being German, for speaking Spanish, or for any other distinction based on race, gender, religion, nationality or language. Those are protected classes, both under national law and international law, and even an exclusive club like Berghain cannot, in good faith, use them to deny people.

(And not to be a total douchebag, which maybe you think I already am, but I'm an attorney with a large law firm in Manhattan, and I've never had trouble shopping on Rodeo Drive or getting a table at a restaurant.)

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Last edited by Stasis on Nov-28-2007 at 10:14

Jemand schon mal n Anwalt im Berghain gesehen ?

Berghain is no 'public institution', it is a private one.

So THEY can decide, who they let in, and who not.

Like NetX already mentioned, just go to the next club.

I didnt come in to other parties in the past as well. Who cares.

hehe one was too funny:

A dookeper told me, that i am too young - But he was 10 years younger than me

But anyways - i went to another club and had fun there.

Dont trust the 'reason' they told you. Indeed, it was not really nice to tell you 'you cant come in, causing you speak english'

You just didnt fit for this night into the club, dont worry and keep smiling.

Did you read anything I wrote about the difference between private and public institutions?

I'm not using the terms colloquially--I'm using them in the legal sense, and in the legal sense, a nightclub like Berghain is public.

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Originally posted by Stasis Did you read anything I wrote about the difference between private and public institutions? I'm not using the terms colloquially--I'm using them in the legal sense, and in the legal sense, a nightclub like Berghain is public.

yes i did.

and in legal sense, Berghain is private.

I dunno how it is in the US, but in DE it is - trust me !

so they can say: bah i dont like your face, you dont come in here.

even if you a have a ticket.

this is NOT illegal ! It's THEIR private room, THEY can decide.

So hard it is, and so bad it feels, but they are on the safe side.

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Originally posted by Stasis Did you read anything I wrote about the difference between private and public institutions? I'm not using the terms colloquially--I'm using them in the legal sense, and in the legal sense, a nightclub like Berghain is public.

you might consider different laws in different countries?

as you consider yourself an attorney with a large law firm im Manhattan (wow, i´m impressed...) you should actually accept that point.

why should berghain, who operates under german law, give a damn about what might be a law somewhere else in the world?

but still, go ahead and sue them

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Originally posted by Nero73 Jemand schon mal n Anwalt im Berghain gesehen ?

ja.
und banker.
und einkaufsleiter.

genauso auch zuhälter.
und nutten.

wie in jedem anderen club halt auch.