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Originally posted by Konijn lol - i hope you're joking. if not, then maybe it isn't the byzantine machinations of third parties that are keeping you from reaching the academic heights you seek...

What I'm saying is that I really hate book like "Learn about Chomsky"... I'd rather read his books instead.

And, if I just want to know what something is - out of curiosity - then I'll pick an encyclopedia. Am I doing it wrong?

edit: Obviously, when it's a broad topic, secondary sources are more than welcome, if that's what you mean.

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Last edited by Lira on Nov-30-2007 at 02:50

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Originally posted by Lira What I'm saying is that I really hate book like "Learn about Chomsky"... I'd rather read his books instead. And, if I just want to know what something is - out of curiosity - then I'll pick an encyclopedia. Am I doing it wrong?

not at all; but its obviously useful to see a critique of chomsky. especially for those of us that might not appreciate things that he missed or obvious issues of contention.

whilst reading original discourse is great, i also enjoy the battle between 2 (or more) theorists. and really, if we're going to get technical about it, there wouldn't be a single piece of modern work that doesn't include references, so really everyone is really just writing about/with everyone else

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not at all; but its obviously useful to see a critique of chomsky. especially for those of us that might not appreciate things that he missed or obvious issues of contention. whilst reading original discourse is great, i also enjoy the battle between 2 (or more) theorists. and really, if we're going to get technical about it, there wouldn't be a single piece of modern work that doesn't include references, so really everyone is really just writing about/with everyone else

Oh, got it.

In that case, I'd rather read the stuff both from Chomsky and competing theorists, such as Givón, for example, or a book on Generative Grammar in general (taking ideas not just from Chomsky, but from everyone else who contributed to the Generative Enterprise). However, I find it weird to read books such as this one. Maybe I'm missing some of the debate, but wouldn't I learn about it if I read a book about a theory he subscribes to? That's why Konijn's post puzzled me.

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oh yeah, why would you ever bother reading something like that? gay.

to be really honest, i haven't touched a theorist in 6 years. i read mostly political articles now. the motivation waned somewhat after i graduated haha.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 kinda sucks ass cause publishing is hard, and what happens is a lot more journals pop up, crappy journals and people get useless crap published anyways. my profs told me I should have 6 pubs by the time i graduate. Im working on my 3rd one right now and am a bit behind :-/ also whenyou go for tenure, you should have about 10 - 15 more pubs using data collected at the uni you are getting tenured at. which is hard cause the dr just did a big dissertation and has tons o data from that which they will try to publish regardless. right now though there is a trend to look for not so much publications (they still are very important) but to look just for grants obtained. Harvard is doing that and others will catch on. They will judge you based on just how many grants you get, not necessarily if it gets published and where, but the fact that you bring in that big money (schools get a bunch o cash straight from the grant, which also sucks cause you have to ask for so much more money just to cover the schools want). the business world is lookin tasty.

you are a psych major no?

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Originally posted by nchs09 you are a psych major no?

I am a psych major yes.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I am a major psycho yes.

fixed, IMO.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I am a psych major yes.

ah, apa format = suckeg... anyhow what were your papers about? i turned in one for publication but doubt tthey will get back to me as it was my first attempt and the experiment had very little relevance.

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Originally posted by Konijn the rule used to be that the 'publish or perish' axiom was less stringent at smaller universities and liberal arts colleges where the primary focus was on undergraduate teaching rather than original research. as the job market for phds has continued to go down the shitter however, this is no longer the case.

I would argue that faculty at the smaller liberal arts schools are still more focused on teaching than on research. Professors who teach at small schools do so for a reason - they enjoy the interaction with students more than working on university research grants.

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Originally posted by nchs09 ah, apa format = suckeg... anyhow what were your papers about? i turned in one for publication but doubt tthey will get back to me as it was my first attempt and the experiment had very little relevance.

one article was about college student gambling, no one had examined them by age group, 18, 19, 20, and 21 and up. it was not in a top tier journal, but it works


the other is a book chapter on adolescent gambling.


and i am working on another pub with my thesis data. also have other data that is kinda weak but might work. and just keep waiting, it usually takes like a year for them to get back to you, then you revise, then they wait another 6 - 12 months to publish. it takes forever!




and yes there are 2 types of universities, research institutes and teaching colleges, on concentrates on teaching, the other...research!