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Originally posted by PETRAN Ermmm psytrance has been arround from 1993 or something...

Goa has been around from 1993, psy from 1998

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Originally posted by sljiva Goa has been around from 1993, psy from 1998

no

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Originally posted by RebeL9 no

exactly lol.

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Originally posted by basilisk Lost Buddha? Hah. Take a gander at the story that emerged from his label recently. Details can be found here.

yeah i know hehe
i was reading it after i saw the last release on metaspychic in the cd new releases forum

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i prefer minimal goa tbh.

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Originally posted by noikeee i prefer minimal goa tbh.

Nah, click-psy, glitch-goa and micro-trance are better.

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Originally posted by sljiva Goa has been around from 1993, psy from 1998

Double no. What a music is and what we call it are two different things. It just so happens that the popular press (with the help of bigshots like Paul Oakenfold) jumped on a new sound that was coming out in 1994 or so, assigned it the name "Goa trance" by association with the beach parties of India, where hippie ex-pats had been melding different styles of music together to achieve entrancing effects for years already. If we had a time machine and could flash back into the past to hear what was played in Goa in the early part of the nineties it would NOT be what we call "Goa trance" today. In fact, it was a composite of different styles, from Sven Vath to Tangerine Dream, mixed in with old stoner rock, emerging electronic styles, and more besides. When you look throughout Usenet groups and other locales for instances of "Goa trance" in the early nineties period, people are referring to a feeling more than a rigidly defined genre of EDM. That came later, when the UK press juxtaposed terminology with actual sounds (as with the Digital Alchemy compilation) and the term thereby entered into common use and mutated from its original meaning.

Technically, it's all "psychedelic trance," but psytrance didn't enter into common usage until people began to get fed-up with how the emerging movement was used and then discarded by the upper crust of EDM culture. When label groups like Flying Rhino began to explore new sonic pathways in 1997 and beyond, they retooled their image and disposed of dated associations with Hindu deities, mandalas, fractals, and all the other trappings that signified "Goa trance" in 1995-1996. In some ways this was a quest for legitimacy; the gravy train had rolled to a stop and it was time to pursue some fresh ideas by that time. Psytrance, in 1997-1999, became the de facto neutralized standard descriptor of the kind of music Flying Rhino, TIP, Matsuri, Blue Room, and other important labels were in the business of promoting. In this time there was a distancing from old terminology, but in recent years the tide has turned, and far from being different things, Goa trance and psytrance are now considered to be one and the same--albeit different in the particulars. To put it bluntly, Goa trance is both a style and a time period within psychedelic trance.

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Originally posted by basilisk Double no. What a music is and what we call it are two different things. It just so happens that the popular press (with the help of bigshots like Paul Oakenfold) jumped on a new sound that was coming out in 1994 or so, assigned it the name "Goa trance" by association with the beach parties of India, where hippie ex-pats had been melding different styles of music together to achieve entrancing effects for years already. If we had a time machine and could flash back into the past to hear what was played in Goa in the early part of the nineties it would NOT be what we call "Goa trance" today. In fact, it was a composite of different styles, from Sven Vath to Tangerine Dream, mixed in with old stoner rock, emerging electronic styles, and more besides. When you look throughout Usenet groups and other locales for instances of "Goa trance" in the early nineties period, people are referring to a feeling more than a rigidly defined genre of EDM. That came later, when the UK press juxtaposed terminology with actual sounds (as with the Digital Alchemy compilation) and the term thereby entered into common use and mutated from its original meaning. Technically, it's all "psychedelic trance," but psytrance didn't enter into common usage until people began to get fed-up with how the emerging movement was used and then discarded by the upper crust of EDM culture. When label groups like Flying Rhino began to explore new sonic pathways in 1997 and beyond, they retooled their image and disposed of dated associations with Hindu deities, mandalas, fractals, and all the other trappings that signified "Goa trance" in 1995-1996. In some ways this was a quest for legitimacy; the gravy train had rolled to a stop and it was time to pursue some fresh ideas by that time. Psytrance, in 1997-1999, became the de facto neutralized standard descriptor of the kind of music Flying Rhino, TIP, Matsuri, Blue Room, and other important labels were in the business of promoting. In this time there was a distancing from old terminology, but in recent years the tide has turned, and far from being different things, Goa trance and psytrance are now considered to be one and the same--albeit different in the particulars. To put it bluntly, Goa trance is both a style and a time period within psychedelic trance.

I agree with you 1000%. You sir spoke the truth about the identity of psy and goa...that is psy and goa are the one and the same, not two different genres (or that was my interpretation of it? You meant that the term goa is more "vague" and yes this could be an interpretation since as you said they played everything in goa from EBM-to techno, but back in the day, when people referred to "psy" they thought of "goa"-that is both "psy" and "goa" compilations had the same artists, tunes, labels etc.)! Its like referring to uplifting trance as "epic" or "melodic" or "euphoric" or "anthem"-all refer to the same thing. People sometimes have a problem in understanding that in psy and goa though. Anyway, i don't know if you agree, but i'm quite sure that the term "psychedelic trance" was first used in 1993. I own a psy-trance compilation from 1995 ("Tantrance-A Trip To Psychedelic Trance"-with all the usual suspects of the time-astral projection, transwave, prana etc.) but i think that the term is older than that.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Nah, click-psy, glitch-goa and micro-trance are better.

actually i think glitch + trance could, if done properly, turn out to be one hell of a combination...

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Originally posted by noikeee actually i think glitch + trance could, if done properly, turn out to be one hell of a combination...

Well, "The Field" have a sound which can be described as "minimal trance". They call it "neo-trance"-in reality it is minimal techno with a few more arpeggios giving it a "trancey" feel. Their sound contains the typical dry minimalistic metallic bits and at times all these microscopic clicky/glitchy sounds side be side to simple melodic arpeggiated lines, so in a way it resembles what you say. I loved his album- "From Here We Go Sublime". "Kaito" could kinda fall in that category as well. Ofcourse true "glitch-trance" doesn't exist but it could be an interesting idea...

Lando is what I'd call minimal psychedelic.

And it sucks.