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Originally posted by Hasneez wasn't there a rumor by DJ Yousif that Pioneer are coming up with a cd player to replace the 1000s that has midi?

i dunno bout a rumor but its just utter fact that they are going to have to make something new to keep in business

looks terrible like pretty much all of denon's dj gear. it also has so many features that i'm quite certain that no one will ever use all of them (or even half!). but still this kinda interests me because i think it could be a good player, but i seriously doubt it'll turn out to be very good.

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Less is more, and this seems to be too much at first sight.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

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Originally posted by Storyteller Less is more, and this seems to be too much at first sight.

What is that supposed to mean here?

Nobody mentioned the biggest thing: THIS ISN'T A CDJ! There's NO CD DRIVE in the player! Now there's "rumors" that you'll be able to connect up their dual-deck CD transport unit and use that, but yeah this looks way too complicated for club installs. It's more for mobile jocks and bedroomers.

An integrated hard drive doesn't make sense for a club install, and I don't like how you have to duplicate all your music for each player. Backups are one thing, but that's stupid.

If Pioneer does something similar with the CDJ-1000, I would like the following:

1. Add the ability to play DVD's with digital files (data) on them (not video, that's a whole different beast). DVD drives are cheap, no reason not to provide support for data DVD's.
2. Leave the deck and layout pretty much untouched. Add two buttons, one which selects the playback mode: CD/DVD, USB, MIDI. Add one more button near the platter: menu/back.
3. Have the decks link-able via USB, with an additional USB port on top or in the front. With them linked, any USB device connected to the chain would be accessible via any deck. (not sure if USB prevents this sort of thing with it's protocol design, if so make the decks ethernet linkable and do something else)
4. To play a USB file, hit the menu button. They could replace the vacuum tube vinyl display in the center of the platter with an LCD (keeping the vinyl animation when tracks are playing), and display a very simple iPod like browser interface for tracks (most people know how to use an iPod, why not take advantage of that). Use the side of the jog to select, tap the platter to go into a sub-menu. Tap the platter to select a track and cue it. Allow the "play" button to be used to "preview" a track but not cue it. Hit "back" to go back a menu. Very simple.
5. In MIDI mode, provide an API for software to display things on the 1000's display, so it doesn't appear so "dumbed down" when running on MIDI. This might not be done over MIDI, but make the API available for developers.
6. If a CD/DVD is inserted, automatically switch to CD/DVD mode. Good for emergencies.

It's all theoretical, but wouldn't create a deck that someone already familiar with a CDJ would be intimidated by, and would provide a lot of flexibility. Would eliminate the need for a laptop based solution in most cases.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Nobody mentioned the biggest thing: THIS ISN'T A CDJ! There's NO CD DRIVE in the player!

lol! i didn't even notice that! and i bet most others didn't either!
and this rules it out for me completely. i have no use for a "cd player" that doesn't play cds but does a bunch of other stuff.

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Originally posted by spolitta What is that supposed to mean here?

The less is more motto applies to all kinds of subjects. User interfaces is most definately one of them.

Less buttons would make a device more understandable and easy to handle. It almost has more keys than my computer keyboard. I don't want that. The layout seems messy. And it looks like the buttons are too close to eachother imo.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

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Originally posted by Storyteller The less is more motto applies to all kinds of subjects. User interfaces is most definately one of them. Less buttons would make a device more understandable and easy to handle. It almost has more keys than my computer keyboard. I don't want that. The layout seems messy. And it looks like the buttons are too close to eachother imo.

This is a sophisticated player for those who can handle it. You surely don’t expect every company to make their products easy to use for your level of understanding.

I sure do expect/demand companies to work on ease of use.

Ease of use does not have to mean dumbed down features.

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Originally posted by spolitta This is a sophisticated player for those who can handle it. You surely don’t expect every company to make their products easy to use for your level of understanding.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 I sure do expect/demand companies to work on ease of use. Ease of use does not have to mean dumbed down features.

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is with ease of use. This is just a cd player that plays music not a space shuttle.

Because if you had a club gig, and were already nervous, and walked in and saw these in the booth... you'd shit yourself because you couldn't figure out how to play a damn CD. That's all I'm sayin

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Originally posted by spolitta Honestly I don't see what the big deal is with ease of use. This is just a cd player that plays music not a space shuttle.

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Originally posted by spolitta Honestly I don't see what the big deal is with ease of use. This is just a cd player that plays music not a space shuttle.

Exactly my point. Why does it have a layout which is just as confusing and messy as your average space shuttle would be? (exaggerated sarcasm, but it does get the point across). I don't think the current desing makes sense. It took me 20 second to find the skip track buttons, and then I see it's a rotary of some kind. That's just not right. (my eyes are ok ) It isn't supposed to take that long.

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Originally posted by spolitta Honestly I don't see what the big deal is with ease of use. This is just a cd player that plays music not a space shuttle.

Ease of use is everything. People tend to prefer things that are easy to use. Why do you think som many people look up product information on the internet before buying? Because it beats going to the shop. That goes for a lot of things. Pioneer cdj's, imo, are good for that reason, and likely became more or less the 'gear standard' because so many people liked it. Easy to understand. A carefully thought through and simple lay-out. Most definately one of the most vital ingredients for succes.

This Denon has none of that imo.

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Last edited by Storyteller on Dec-11-2007 at 21:42