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Originally posted by Fledz I was under the impression that it was quite common to throw on a limiter (-2db max!) or something like the Waves C4 to enhance the sound slightly?

Maybe if you're burning to CD to play in a club, but if you're sending it off to be mastered then FUCK NO.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 umm thank you for reinstating what i said.

Erm, you said 24-bit makes headroom amount absolete, which implies that it wouldnt matter if you didnt leave any headroom, which is just plain wrong...

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Originally posted by Fledz Won't this produce clipping on that channel?

I think when he says '8dB' he actually means '-8dB'...

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum Maybe if you're burning to CD to play in a club, but if you're sending it off to be mastered then FUCK NO.

Ah yea sorry, I got confused. I meant you would do this if you were sending it out but if a label requested your track to master, then you would obviously remove them and leave the engineer to do what he does

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum I think when he says '8dB' he actually means '-8dB'...

This would make more sense, though I think for EDM the kick should be a bit louder. He said he wasn't talking about EDM and we all know that in most other genres the kick isn't as prominent.

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Originally posted by BOOsTER there's only one rule...your track should not clip and there should be absolutely no compressors, limiters, maximizers or stereo enhancers on the sum mix (on master) that's all afaik

Why not stereo enhancer?

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Originally posted by Fledz This would make more sense, though I think for EDM the kick should be a bit louder. He said he wasn't talking about EDM and we all know that in most other genres the kick isn't as prominent.

What is a good level for the kick then? I read a tutorial on here that also said the kick should be -8db and the kick/bass bus should be around -6db. Don't get me wrong I still have a shitload to learn but I have been going by that tutorial... and since this is "trance" addict, I assumed it would be suitable for trance.

I know theres no real rules in production anyway, but any more help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Don't ask me, I'm also trying to learn that as well. Problem is that I don't know where to start.

I've read that your loudest synth should be 0db and then work everything off that, but if I could also set a start point for the kick then it would help a lot with the bass and percs.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Why not stereo enhancer?

just do it on the channels not on the whole mix...

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 just do it on the channels not on the whole mix...

it's more common than you think. don't be surprised if your mastering engineer is using a multiband stereo enhancer on your tracks.

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mastering engineers usually will want to have the sum clear...of limiters or stereo enhancers...they can produce phasing issues and so on...and also another more a common sense reason would be that "no matter what limiter/enhancer/whatever you use, the mastering house will usually have a better one"

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 just do it on the channels not on the whole mix...

Well, does it make any difference in terms of limiting what a mastering engineer can do with your track? No. Hence you can have as much stereo enhancing as your heart's desire on the master bus, and booster's statement about the stereo enhancer, which I pointed out, does not make any sense. But the rest ofcourse, makes perfectly sense.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Well, does it make any difference in terms of limiting what a mastering engineer can do with your track? No. Hence you can have as much stereo enhancing as your heart's desire on the master bus, and booster's statement about the stereo enhancer, which I pointed out, does not make any sense. But the rest ofcourse, makes perfectly sense.

When putting a stereo enhancer on your master, you should probably also keep in mind that most club systems are mono, so make sure to check what it sounds like in mono before you send it to anyone...

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Originally posted by Sanguis Mortuum When putting a stereo enhancer on your master, you should probably also keep in mind that most club systems are mono, so make sure to check what it sounds like in mono before you send it to anyone...

Not entirely true. More and more clubs are in stereo now. Most of the good clubs in Australia don't use mono anymore.

Your point is still more than valid though

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