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George Smiley
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quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
//dark humor mode: off

Hurray!! emc^2 is back! Just what I wanted for Christmas!

Anyway, back on topic, I notice the world's leaders and media have already conducted their conclusive investigations and have found that the Islamists did this, even tho it only happened a matter of hours ago!

I'd prefer to wait for a while until more facts become available rather than use it to pursue a pre-set agenda. And that is aimed at everyone who wants to use this to justify their position towards dealing with Islamists, whether that is people on here with their opinions, or world leaders with their actions.

Bhutto was hated by the Islamists, that we know. She was outspoken against them and was a powerful woman. This made her a major target for Islamist ire. But at the same time, I cannot rule out political enemies rather than religious/ideological enemies. Look at who stands to benefit from this the most - Musharaf. His main political opponent has been eliminated and he will most likely win major support for his war against the Islamists (and possibly other rebels such as those in Balochistan) both from abroad and at home. For the Islamists, I just don't see any real gains in doing this, other than feeding their crazy beliefs.

I think this is likely to be one of those unsolved mysteries that spark a lot of conspiracy theories because I know for a fact the "official" version won't necessarily be one a lot of people believe seeing as the invesigation will have been carried out by one of the main suspects...

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nchs09
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Originally posted by Omega_M
I remember her days as the prime minister of Pakistan. Back in India then, she used to be in the news very frequently. Shocking news indeed.
but not for good reasons as her goverment was filled with corruption.


anyhow indeed very sad to see her go like this


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quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
but not for good reasons as her goverment was filled with corruption.


anyhow indeed very sad to see her go like this


she left the confortable life in london for her country.. she changed.. corruption was maybe because of poeple she made in charge.. but i feel she was honest.. otherwise she would have forever been well settled in posh comfertable clean and trendy london.

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MisterOpus1
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Originally posted by emc^2
I also hate to point out that sometimes if the gun is pointed at your head and loaded and you're told that you'll be killed unless you leave, perhaps it would be a good idea to leave.

Woman had a death wish and as much as I feel sorry for her, I also feel her death was stupid. I guess politics were her life and she martyred herself for her cause. I wonder if she gets 72 hot guy-virgins?

//dark humor mode: off


There's a great many leaders in our time who've died for the cause they strongly believe in. It wasn't merely "politics" that she died for, and I'm hoping you see what she stood for as a little bit more than that.

For her to leave because "a gun was pointing at her head" would entail her principles stood for little in the face of fear.


Her ideas of democracy in the face of terrorism and dictatorship have certainly gotten her killed. But the seed is planted there thanks to her courage. Whether or not that seed blooms will be up to the people in Pakistan.

And I would take caution if I were you or RebeL9 in regards to flaming and petty namecalling. Lira doesn't really stand for that bullshit much anymore here, and rightfully so.


Added in Edit: I am aware of her former corrupt government, as well as her hand in the creation of the Taliban (albeit with intentions similar to ours with al Qaeda in the Cold War). I think she had a definite image of democracy that perhaps her reputation as a whole didn't mesh up entirely to that image, and that has to be conceded. However, what's also clear is Pakistan as a whole is nothing shy of a fucking mess with a dictatorship on the one end trying to hold things together and recently upending their judicial system while pushing back the Islamic extremists who continue to have a good deal of countrywide support. So perhaps her image of saving the entire country via democracy was a bit overblown, but perhaps that image can still grow to something worthwhile to the country and the region.


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RebeL9
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yeah this is indeed a big loss. but the biggest irony here is that she was the creator of the taliban movement in the pakistani religious schools. She helped and supported it. And now the same extremists resulted in her death.
It's the same scenario as with the Americans. They supported Bin Ladins gang against the Soviet in Afghanistan and Saddam against Khomeini and both turned their backs on USA.

They should know that if you start a fire you also take a risk. The fire can go out of control and eventually having you fall into it.


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Omega_M
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Originally posted by notepad
she left the comfortable life in London for her country.. she changed.. corruption was maybe because of people she made in charge.. but i feel she was honest.. otherwise she would have forever been well settled in posh comfortable clean and trendy London.


that's some PR material right there.

A comfortable life in London as an exiled politician =/= the life of a powerful head of state with unlimited inflow of cash and backing of the US.


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Originally posted by Omega_M
that's some PR material right there.


I think she was no less than the assasination of mahatma gandhi.. its just PR which makes the difference.. both died for the cause of democracy.. for the nation.. selfless service.

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Originally posted by LiquidNitrogen
I won't be amazed if later we find that Musharraf was behind this.

Musharraf = Putin = assassination to save their own a$$.

LOL...she was corrupt and the reason she left Pakistan isi because they wanted to jail her for corruption and fundling money out into foreign bank accounts in her name. She was corrupt and was not good. Musharraf is oddly enough a reformer and not as corrupt of a leader. He is good for Pakistan and hopefully he can unite the army together and bring more control under his rule.


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Originally posted by emc^2
Yeah... Like Lenin's, Stalin's, and... Putin's regimes.
So it is good that you agree with me. Those regimes were good.


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Omega_M
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Originally posted by notepad
I think she was no less than the assasination of mahatma gandhi.. its just PR which makes the difference.. both died for the cause of democracy.. for the nation.. selfless service.


To compare Mahatma Gandhi with Benazir Bhutto is simply ludicrous.


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Originally posted by paranormal-real
So it is good that you agree with me. Those regimes were good.


I'm sorry, did I hear you right? Did you just note that Stalin's regime was good? Perhaps you can explain the purging and execution of millions of his own people is somehow demonstrable of a "good" regime?


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