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Originally posted by RJT See, that's the thing - the vast majority of young Christian folk I've met who were big Christian rock/punkers were absolutely filthy. They'd go to their "youth groups" and talk about how they shouldn't drink or do drugs, and how they were saving themselves for marriage - then the same exact kids would be out utterly mashed and fucking/sucking whatever was there that evening.

fucking right! how is that different from us?... well i guess we would always say we're going to get smashed and fuck/suck...

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Originally posted by RJT I disagree completely - but not because I'm judging them as devoid of artist merit solely on my interpretation of what they're doing, but rather because many of them not only openly admit to not creating, or even viewing, music as anything more than a tool - something that should be self evident in the striking lack of original material in the genre (when compared to other genres).

That doesn't change my point. The intent/motivation for making music and skill/talent for making music are not necessarily related. Therefore, it is fallacious to dismiss a band's artistic merit on the grounds of intent and motivation alone. A lot of christian rock bands being hypocritical and/or unoriginal doesn't change this.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper That doesn't change my point. The intent/motivation for making music and skill/talent for making music are not necessarily related. Therefore, it is fallacious to dismiss a band's artistic merit on the grounds of intent and motivation alone. A lot of christian rock bands being hypocritical and/or unoriginal doesn't change this.

So content is now off limits when considering artistic merit and talent is our only measure of what is to be considered "good art"?



Sounds like a slippery slope to me.

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rob i completely agree

i had to go to "national youth conference" the summer before my senior year of high school and i heard that song as well as a bunch of others a fucking million times with an entire stadium of jesus lovers singing along... dear god i cant believe i even went in hind sight(mandated though...)


it was fucking scary

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Originally posted by RJT So content is now off limits when considering artistic merit and talent is our only measure of what is to be considered "good art"?

People often dismiss music based on the intentions and beliefs of the people behind it. My argument is that this is fallacious, as the belief and the intentions of a musician doesn't necessarily affect his or her ability to create good music. It affects what the musician chooses to express with it.

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Originally posted by RJT I just can't find any artistic merit in Christian rock what-so-ever

What about Dylan's Christian rock period (Slow Train Coming, Saved, and Shot of Love)?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

I've never heard any Christian rock that didn't suck.

And no, I'm not saying this because of its religious ideology. Lots of church music is really good, even if I don't agree with its messages. But Christian rock just isn't.

in any case

Gospel > Christian Rock

this lady at work listens softly to gospel music at her desk and i'll walk over sometimes and chill with her. the other day she gave me a ride to lunch (we went out as a group) and she played some powerful stuff in her car. made me wanna clap and sing along.

of course most of gospel is really vocal, but my god can some of those groups sing!

Just how many Christian Rock bands have you listened to, Rob, so that you can make such a wide generalization about the entire genre?

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

Hallolujah!!!

Anyway, I kinda like religious music for one simple reason: no matter how agnostic I am, I'm deeply moved by how passionate some people are when it comes to faith. I love "World Without End", by Five Iron Frenzy, a Christian Punk Ska band... even though I don't agree with what's being sung.

I feel like forming a Buddhist Punk Rock band for randomness' sake

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Originally posted by Lira I feel like forming a Buddhist Punk Rock band for randomness' sake

I can't picture reconsiling the disiplin of Buddhism with the anarchy of punk.... it would be interesting.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down