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Originally posted by flutlicht junky You tried the v2 version of Reaper yet? It's getting better and better - more of my vsti working with it.

yep.

i've officially given up on reaper for the time being. the sad fact of the matter is that reaper users are not the same demographic as cubase, fl or ableton users - more the protools camp. 90% of the people on the forum are into rock music, so VSTi's don't really get the attention they need for dance producers. one day it will get there, just not quite yet. :P

i would like to say reaper and reason is a great combo, but it has some latency problems. either way you look at it, reaper isn't a serious daw for edm musicians yet.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Um, you wrote stereo sidechaining.

ahaha, my bad!

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

I'd say, grab demo versions of the products you're interested in getting and see which feels and sounds right to you. There are fantastic tracks being created in every DAW.

For me personally, I went from Reason to Live and thought "okay, I'll learn Live inside out and use it for my next album". But a few months after buying Live I happened to try a demo version of Cubase for a couple of tracks and my synths sounded better coming in. Same hardware synths, same recording interface, same everything, but it sounded better coming into Cubase. I wasn't looking to spend a bunch more cash at that point after forking out for Live, but I couldn't go back to Live for recording. (Please note, this isn't a statement of fact, just my personal perception. If there is a difference, you may well prefer the sound of Live to Cubase)

But yeah, the good thing is, I rewire Reason and Live into Cubase now and use each software's strengths. Makes for a really fast workflow.

So it sounds like the general consensus is Cubase although Sonar and Ableton are options but stay away from ProTools.

Also FL Studio didn't get the nod although I suppose for users without hardware synths it's still a good tool. I must say I have heard great tracks on this forum produced on FL Studio.

Cheers for the comments.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Um, you wrote stereo sidechaining. Obviously a mistake, but it confused me. Stereo rewire (Apart from the first channel) wasn't an official documented feature of Cubase SX3. They removed it because it was very buggy. I'm sure they will reimplement it soon.

So am I understanding this right.

Cubase 4 does not support stereo rewire not stereo side chaining and that normal side chaining is possible with the right tools?

Does that mean if I use Reason it comes through as mono? Presumably once it is in Cubase it is transferred to stereo?

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The first two channels of Reason's hardware interface come into Cubase on a stereo track. After that, it's channel 3, channel 4, etc, all mono. So if you wanted to get a second stereo sound source into Cubase, you need to assign two channels and pan them left and right. Then I'd say send both mono channels into a stereo group so you can apply one set of effects/ automation.

I tend to render the Reason sound sources to WAVs pretty quick and work from there.

For some instruments (kick, quite often the bass) sending them over in mono is fine. But yeah, it'd be nicer to have all the channels stereo and specify, for example, "stereo 2 - left side" for a mono channel.

Not optimal, but there are workarounds.

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Originally posted by Reno So am I understanding this right. Cubase 4 does not support stereo rewire not stereo side chaining and that normal side chaining is possible with the right tools?

cubase 4 has VST3 sidechaining. sidechaining was never part of the VST2.X spec, so people just emulated (hacked) it by pretending the plugin was for a surround bus. hence, cubase 4 is the first DAW to support proper, official sidechaining.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Originally posted by echosystm ...hence, cubase 4 is the first DAW to support proper, official sidechaining.

BZZZZZ! WRONG ANSWER - TRY AGAIN! Sonar 7 has sidechaining and was released several months before Cubase 4.1 added sidechaining.

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Last edited by cryophonik on Jan-26-2008 at 02:25

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Originally posted by cryophonik BZZZZZ! WRONG ANSWER - TRY AGAIN! Sonar 7 has sidechaining and was released several months before Cubase 4.1 added sidechaining.

lol, read what i wrote again.

how many VST3 compressors are there for sonar?

sonar doesn't support VST3 yet. cubase is the only daw that does. therefore, sonar does not support official sidechaining and uses the 2.X hacks. such hacks are obviously not official, as VST3 is the first revision to support sidechaining.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've never had a problem with FLs tech support till this day. (I've actually never used it till this day)

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Originally posted by floyd741 i think echosystm is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns robby rox and doesn't afraid of anything.

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So does sonar 7 allow you to rewire in stereo?

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Originally posted by echosystm lol, read what i wrote again.

Oh man, you mean you expect me to read ALL of your post?! That's like 3 sentences - my attention span isn't that....oh look, the light on my MIDI controller is flashing!

(ok - I admit it, you're right)

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Originally posted by pwnage1 So does sonar 7 allow you to rewire in stereo?

Same deal as Cubase, I believe - 1 stereo and 62 mono tracks for Reason. You have to pan the mono pairs left/right and route them to a stereo bus.

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