^^^First off, the government would have to have cause to want to know about your shits at 5:35am.

I think the notion that our government is going to be up in everyone's biz-natch just because they can identify us easier is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over-estimated.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco ^^^First off, the government would have to have cause to want to know about your shits at 5:35am. I think the notion that our government is going to be up in everyone's biz-natch just because they can identify us easier is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over-estimated.

Yes, it is. However, who's to say that this isn't something that could end up leading to a 1984-esque government? I'm not saying that it will, but you have to start somewhere, right? That's what they're afraid of. They're not saying that it is going to be that way, they're just trying to prevent it before it even gets close.

i love living in australia!

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constantly monitored by RFID chips and infrared scanning devices are another. Why do I wish to have every move I make be scrutinized and monitored by a government known to lie about everything? For safety?


If you do something stupid (like kill someone) ,they will know you did it. Less crime means less privacy. No other way IMO

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I can care less about this. I already had to have that done for my job, sans tattoo mapping.

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Originally posted by SkyHigh constantly monitored by RFID chips and infrared scanning devices are another...

Nowhere in that article is it stated that they want to insert RFID chips in to anyone. Nor is this system a MANDATORY system that they are forcing everyone to take part in. Nor is it said that they wish to arbitrarily track everyone and their every movement throughout the country, for no reason other than because they can.

It's simply a database of existing forms of I.D. (garnered mostly from criminals), so they can track them easier. They may wish to do eye scans of criminals in the future, but so what? They have been doing finger-printing for nearly 100 years now, which is the same thing in terms of individual I.D.

This article is overly-sensationalized for the purpose of selling more ad space.

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Originally posted by SkyHigh constantly monitored by RFID chips

yeah, like we're gonna be implanted with chips.

fuck you kids are idiots.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco Nor is this system a MANDATORY system that they are forcing everyone to take part in.

In the future something like this may be required if you want to get a driver's license, since national driver's license standards are going to be established under the REAL ID Act. I tend to dismiss the "implant" idea as paranoia, but it's true that we're moving more and more toward omnipresent surveillance and tracking, and the disappearance of privacy.

Why? Because limits on surveillance and tracking generally mean less personal safety and less efficiency in financial transactions.

Anyway you look at this, its another step into a society of surveillance. Eventually, anywhere you go cameras will be able to ID you based on your face, eyes, even the way you walk.

And to whoever said that people cannot be searched without a warrant...the Patriot Act already showed that to be false.

This advanced surveillance might seem like a good idea to some now, but think of it down the road. What if some laws come about, probably in the interest to some particular entity, which are absurd and you don't agree with? Tough luck, you got nowhere to hide.

And whos to say that the FBI will use this new database only for its intended purpose and nothing else in the future? And that the information will certainly be safe?

This is giving a whole lot of power to the government.

Can't wait for the tinfoil comments...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles In the future something like this may be required if you want to get a driver's license, since national driver's license standards are going to be established under the REAL ID Act. I tend to dismiss the "implant" idea as paranoia, but it's true that we're moving more and more toward omnipresent surveillance and tracking, and the disappearance of privacy. Why? Because limits on surveillance and tracking generally mean less personal safety and less efficiency in financial transactions.

^^^Maybe, but when you think about it, it's really nothing more than (as the FBI Rep stated) a matter of keeping pace with I.D. technology.

States used to issue DL's without photos years ago! When people started faking them and using them illegally, they added the photos.

Then they started adding security measures in the DL's, like swipe-strips and holograms, etc., all in the interest of staying abreast of security technology.

It would be like sticking with the old currency and all of it's flaws that would allow it to be counterfeited a lot more easily than newer money can be, all because we are ignoring progress. It's impossible to avoid. But more importantly, it's not a leap AHEAD of current I.D. technology, it's simply staying abreast of it.

This isn't Orwellian dogma, it's just the day to day business of a modern society identifying its individuals for their own safety's sake (financial transactions, buying and selling, and to help arrest the right people when they are wanted, etc.), nothing more.

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Originally posted by Elec And whos to say that the FBI will use this new database only for its intended purpose and nothing else in the future? And that the information will certainly be safe?

No one, of course.

The funny thing is that people are already habituating themselves to displaying tons of information about themselves, all on their own with no prompting by governments.

What am I talking about? Why, MySpace and Facebook and all those other profile services, of course, not to mention the many journaling services like Blogger and LiveJournal. People willingly put up all their latest exploits and photos and relationships for friends and future employers to ogle over.

The coming generations will be so used to making so much of their lives publicly available, willingly, that a so-called "surveillance society" will seem like no big deal to them. They already put so much out there for fun, and nothing too bad comes of that...so why not give up a few more things for safety's sake?