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Originally posted by myth I just have to rant. Every single time I went to this crappy place, the bouncers were always go up and down the line asking for money to jump the queue. They have the balls to actually yell "$20 per head" to jump the queue and 5 minutes later asked for $30. When someone asked that it was $20 5 minutes ago, he said "What can I say, it's INFLATION" with a big grin on his face. We complained about this before and we were told they will clean this up and it will be under a new management (I believe it was Kraig that said that). Yeah ... right, the crew stayed the same and nothing changed at all. Me and my friends agreed that it's no longer worth it to waste our time and put up with them. These thugs always ruined our mood before the night even begins. So no matter how good the show is, it always started badly. I guess I was naive when I thought the new name will maaaaybe give us a better experience since maaaaaybe they actually have different management. EMPTY PROMISES ... 'nuff said. PS: This place maybe the muggiest club in Vancouver, it's always hot like hell in there.

A lot of ppl agree with you myth. I got a boycott on Sonar/Fabric except I thought'd I'd give it a shot lastnight at Pete Tong and see what the fuss is about this "new look." I can tell you nothing has really changed except some lights and cheasy velour fabric being draped on the brick walls. Still got the same old shitty staff and thieves.... I mean bouncers at the door. Just come on over to Celebrities where the bouncers don't play favourites, line-ups move and ticket holders don't have to wait! Just remember it's a hate free environment and have a good time! See ya there.

What new look?
Pete Tong was good tho.
BTW, even the coat check ladies are in this whole mess as well, $5 per jacket? You gotta be kidding me.

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Originally posted by shampoo A lot of ppl agree with you myth. I got a boycott on Sonar/Fabric except I thought'd I'd give it a shot lastnight at Pete Tong and see what the fuss is about this "new look." I can tell you nothing has really changed except some lights and cheasy velour fabric being draped on the brick walls. Still got the same old shitty staff and thieves.... I mean bouncers at the door. Just come on over to Celebrities where the bouncers don't play favourites, line-ups move and ticket holders don't have to wait! Just remember it's a hate free environment and have a good time! See ya there.

Yeah i really dont like the sonar/fabric either. I laugh looking at my post complaining about the crowd at celebs on Friday, it was 100 times better then at sonar on sat. Only a few dj's will ever get me to go back to Fabric.

Add not functioning ATM's, the bars not accepting credit cards, no ins and outs, and Sonar is in for another name change.

funny, i didnt have those problems with the bouncers or anything last nigth.. guess luck was on my side lol.

pete tong fukin killed it. im aching today and can't walk properly. damn that set was tight.

nice bumping into xtrem & shampoo? at the bars as well..

-peace

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Originally posted by shampoo A lot of ppl agree with you myth. I got a boycott on Sonar/Fabric except I thought'd I'd give it a shot lastnight at Pete Tong and see what the fuss is about this "new look." I can tell you nothing has really changed except some lights and cheasy velour fabric being draped on the brick walls. Still got the same old shitty staff and thieves.... I mean bouncers at the door. Just come on over to Celebrities where the bouncers don't play favourites, line-ups move and ticket holders don't have to wait! Just remember it's a hate free environment and have a good time! See ya there.

Celebs is good but not great. Come to any major event after eleven, and it's exactly the opposite of what you said. Hour long line ups (ticket or not) and bouncers playing favorites. Happened at Sharam( $40 tickets, not even sold out!) and G&D. Some fridays are good though.

Bouncers always play favorite everywhere. But Fabric/Sonar ones are beyond tolerable.

^ Oh that sucks boys, I can't believe these problems STILL continue
after all the months gone. It's really sad how these issues seem to
be nation wide. I spent some time in Ontario the past Xmas and the
service at the GUV wasn't rather too impressive either. I am however
greatly impressed with Europe and how so far after club and rave events
I was left with a great impression. Everything is handled professionally
and ethically. I was into Heaven in London for Digweed within 5 minutes
as they didn't que up the line so entry was flawless. Same thing at the
Gatecrasher rave, they opened up early and kept people moving inside.
Everything out here seems to be done a whole lot better.

As for Cargo/Twisted, from what I'm told these guys are banned from most
venues around town so Sonar/Fabric is mostly what you'll get from them.
I'm still upholding a boycott of this promoter and YOU should too.

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Am I getting old, or are things in this city getting worse and worse?

I went to the MLC for my first time last weekend to Insomnia to see Ronski Speed, Ronny was kind enough to guestlist me. I showed up after 1 as instructed by Ronny and there was no line-up. I got in, and god is it hot and humid in there. Crowd wasn't too bad, mostly people were shuffling their feet to the music until Ronski finished around 4:20ish, and then a hardstyle DJ came on and dropped some hardstyle 140-148bpm whatever track and the dance floor completely filled up, as I headed out the door after a nice 45 min chat with Uzair after meeting him for the first time.

I don't intend on going back there unless the circumstances are similar. I hope another promoter steps forward and brings Ronny back, he wasn't impressed in having to play 'hard,' and I'm glad he didn't. Yeah, he took off the second that hardstyle track was laid on. Lol.

I understand hardstyle and house sell, or at least seem to (I have never figured out if it's because that's what the crowd wants or that's what the crowd comes to expect since that's a majority of what comes these days or is asked of, these days - maybe someone can explain that one to me).

As for the venues, yeah, it gets tougher and tougher. It's been done to death in other threads. There's never a consistent turn out for events, and you can all say you all show up but 20 people isn't enough. It's vancouver. Top 40 sells. Hip hop, rap, rock, it all sells. That's what most people listen to here. FM radio. TV (Much Music). It's what people are exposed to, it's what becomes a part of culture, it's what is. If an EDM can't bring in a consistent crowd that behaves itself, the venue says *uck it and goes back to what sells. You can call it greed, or you can in many cases call it paying the bills. So promoters take whatever venues they can get that are willing to take them, and sorry to say, but only the s*itty venues take EDM events because its risk reward for them. Either they take a risk in doing something different to stay afloat, or they do what every other club is doing, and doing it BETTER than them, and hope they can make financial ends meet.

I don't have an answer, nor do I believe anyone truly does have an answer on how to fix this.

All you can hope for is that a decent promoter gets a decent venue and you all go to it all the damn time. I liked what Danny was doing with Viva long long time ago. Him and Sean ran an event every Friday, same place, same time, and it took awhile but they had a good following after awhile and were able to eventually afford to bring in talented guys who hadn't made it yet, making it more affordable for them, while still bringing in a quality guy every month (Menno de Jong, Niklas Harding, Ronski Speed, Phynn, guys you all know now). Club wasn't the greatest but it was better than some of the other crap ones I've been too, but also a far far cry from some of the nicer ones I've been to. Arpy ran a good thing with Vivid Sessions. Some decent/good locals every week, and it eventually got to the point they could afford to bring someone in almost every week, big names, small names, nationals, internationals. Was great. I'm sorry I couldn't make it out to that very often as by the time I finished hockey on friday nights I didn't have much gas left in the tank.

So if anything good comes along, don't bi*ch, just support it as best as you can (schedule, pocket book aside). I hear Blueprint is doing alright.

If you want to boycott certain groups, go right ahead, that's your call. There's two sides to the coin, promoters are trying their best with a lot of adversity against them (venues/club owners being stubborn, crowds not supporting events, their being zero cultural support for edm in Vancouver, the financial burden, having to make and establish contacts and scheduling to try to convince djs to come here) and there's also some that do business poorly (forcing unfair terms on DJs to play here [I heard this one from the DJ himself, pretty big name guy too], forcing DJs to play styles they don't want to or are not comfortable with, treating DJs poorly when they do come here [again, I won't give out names but a recent DJ came here and had to ask their contacts around town for a place to stay or else they would have been on the streets or paying their own hotel for two nights because of the flights that were booked for them], and other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

I don't really go to events, nor do I know a lot of the people that run them in this city, so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but maybe promoters should turn over a new leaf and fans should try to be more understanding. This should be a joint and unified effort where promoters set up events and bring in talent (big name, small name, local, not-local, whatever) and we just show up and go in with a positive attitude and have fun. 10-20 Years ago they coined the term PLUR. Now it's all about camps and the blame game and no one's willing to take any responsibility for any part of this mess, and how they plan to help fix it, rather than just more blame gamimg. (I already faulted I don't participate enough, but then again I'm not going to every event and bit*hing about all of them either ).

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What this town needs is a good ole fashioned REVOLUTION

How about a NON-PROFIT promotional organization? huh?
How about a community of EDM addicts working together to achieve a common goal?

Of course, the above are very possible. However in a society that's fundamentally pillared on greed, in addition to the absence of communication due to egotistical self-righteous mentalities; create an unpleasant working environment.

Before things can change, WE need to change.

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I went to see Sanchez on Saturday night. A couple of factors resulted in my leaving after 15 minutes and selling my pete tong ticket for the next night.

1. The coat check lineup was about 30 minutes long, so I ended up carrying around my jacket.
2. No in/outs or designated outside area, so I couldn't have a smoke, or get any relief from the allergies I was getting inside (that was a first).
3. It was packed like sardines and hot (not always a bad thing being packed, but it just added on to the aggravation).
4. Bathroom smelled like sh*t.

Fabric is wack. I'm not going back there and I'm telling my friends to do the same.

Beside the fact that they picked this venue, I don't think its Cargo/Twisted's fault. Come on guys... Red Room, Caprice, Cafe Crepe.. anything would be better. Don't make the experience so unpleasant that it over powers the music we came there to enjoy.

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Originally posted by krysx25 What this town needs is a good ole fashioned REVOLUTION How about a NON-PROFIT promotional organization? huh? How about a community of EDM addicts working together to achieve a common goal? Of course, the above are very possible. However in a society that's fundamentally pillared on greed, in addition to the absence of communication due to egotistical self-righteous mentalities; create an unpleasant working environment. Before things can change, WE need to change.

a Trance co-op?