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Originally posted by EgosXII you didn't really answer my points tho -it's a cultural thing for them, eating/using whale: how can you judge that? -they're not killing endangered animals, so we don't have some international moral right to stop them (cause we wouldn't be saving the species, since they're not in danger just to clarify) -and we kill so many animals (incl as i said, pets for utterly pointless reasons (or cull animals because of over-population))- the point is, that people just get all uppity cause whales are meant to be so smart or whatever... that's bullshit since intelligence is entirely relative: either kill em all, or kill none of em. (unless they're endangered )

ok heres a few points.

on the cultural issue. sure, they may have eaten whales for a LONG time. but this started with them going out in simple boats with simple weapons. this meant only a small number of whales would ever be taken. today with fast ships, tracking devices and high tech harpoons, its a lot easier to take whales down, and therefore greater numbers of them.


"not endangered" yet. whales are LARGE mammals, meaning a low fecundity rate, and a lot off effort put into thier young. for the nerds out there, a "K" selected species. by taking more whales than the population is able to adequately recover from, we are potentially going to lower numbers so other factors such as genetic bottlenecks will make the species prone to extinction. this has and is still happening to a lot of the "big cat" species on the planet (+many more).


"intelligence" the intelligence of animals has nothing to do with it. that is a very old and incorrect view of animals. animals are important because of the role they play ecologically. we "cull" animals today (with inital scientific research and consulatation) because through anthropogenic change, we have made it easier for one species to take over, at the threat of others. (ie koalas on Kangaroo Island)

i find it shameful that any clause exists that means so many whales can be slaughtered for "scientific research". i cannot think of a possible reason that would require the killing of so many whales.

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Originally posted by Teflon_Teapot the marine biologist on lateline last night

lol, i'd like to see which institution they represent!

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Originally posted by gumble lol, i'd like to see which institution they represent!

japan

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Originally posted by gumble ok heres a few points. on the cultural issue. sure, they may have eaten whales for a LONG time. but this started with them going out in simple boats with simple weapons. this meant only a small number of whales would ever be taken. today with fast ships, tracking devices and high tech harpoons, its a lot easier to take whales down, and therefore greater numbers of them. "not endangered" yet. whales are LARGE mammals, meaning a low fecundity rate, and a lot off effort put into thier young. for the nerds out there, a "K" selected species. by taking more whales than the population is able to adequately recover from, we are potentially going to lower numbers so other factors such as genetic bottlenecks will make the species prone to extinction. this has and is still happening to a lot of the "big cat" species on the planet (+many more). "intelligence" the intelligence of animals has nothing to do with it. that is a very old and incorrect view of animals. animals are important because of the role they play ecologically. we "cull" animals today (with inital scientific research and consulatation) because through anthropogenic change, we have made it easier for one species to take over, at the threat of others. (ie koalas on Kangaroo Island) i find it shameful that any clause exists that means so many whales can be slaughtered for "scientific research". i cannot think of a possible reason that would require the killing of so many whales.

wow. pkc and gumble in agreeance. surely japan have gotta take notice of that!

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See now... the thing with these Japs is that, they dont listen... and quiet frankly they couldnt give a shit

See that had this attitude when fighting against the Americans, thinking they could just go and bomb pearl harbor and get away with it...

That is until someone puts their foot down and says STOP!

I think we should just drop a fkn nuke on the cvnts again, maybe this time they will understand because obviously one nuclear lesson in SIT THE FK DOWN didnt get thru their stupid little Japanese skulls

Nuke em i say. If soup is more important than politics to them... well then i dont wana be their neighbours

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i say we kidnap all their female children aged 16-25 and keep them at my house until they stop whaling.

We'll see how much they enjoy a different kind of wailing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i say we kidnap all their female children aged 16-25 and keep them at my house until they stop whaling. We'll see how much they enjoy a different kind of wailing.

i like your thinking.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN dont argue with the yanks nutter, they know best!

queen of the Netherlands to take on the jap whaling fleet i say

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Originally posted by narcism so if a dog isnt endangered does that mean we can go out and kill as many as we want for "scientific reasons"

whales aren't domesticated.

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Originally posted by EgosXII and RSPCA kills probably thousands of dogs and cats annually...

so do PETA, but you won't hear them say that

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter whales aren't domesticated.

so that makes it ok to kill them does it

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Originally posted by narcism so that makes it ok to kill them does it

I don't support whaling, but saying that killing whales and dogs for scientific research is the same, isn't.

We kill roos. We actively hunt goats for recreation (I'm not saying that whales are a pest like goats, but they are wild).

and yes I'm pretty sure that dogs are used for scientific research. Off the top of my head I'm not 100% positive (ie I don't have a specific example to hand) but I do have the strong feeling I have seen it before. (Laika springs to mind, but then that was the 60's).

I just think that the arguments against whaling are more emotional rather than rational.


by the way, boycott Norway?

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n other whaling news, Norway has announced plans to kill 1052 minke whales this year, the Associated Press reports. This quota is the same as in 2007. The Fisheries Ministry said 900 whales would be allowed to be caught in coastal areas including the North Sea and the Barents Sea. Norway resumed whaling in 1993, arguing that otherwise the minke whale population would increase and threaten fish stocks.

After all, it is more than those evil Japs........

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Last edited by Trance Nutter on Feb-08-2008 at 10:27