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Originally posted by the-sixth Also, when you play anything in mono, dont u lose the sparkle anyway?? Yet in clubs this doesnt seem to be the case, can anyone explain that?

In a club, the speakers tend to be so far apart that even if the sound were stereo, you couldn't get a very good sense of the stereo field.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles In a club, the speakers tend to be so far apart that even if the sound were stereo, you couldn't get a very good sense of the stereo field.

So any work you do with stereo widening is lost in a club atmosphere?

I am curious now, because anything i do on a synth if i play it in mono sounds terribly flat and dull

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Originally posted by richg101 always sidechain the kick and bass. no amount of eqing will allow for as efficient colaberation of a kick and bass. you can set the comp so the listener doesnt notice the sidechain effect.

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Originally posted by derail Sidechaining is a very effective way to get the kick and bass working together. As Rich said, it doesn't have to be an extreme effect, it can be quite subtle. But yes, there are other options - get a high pass filter working in time with the kick and you're effectively sidechaining just the low frequencies that take up the same space as the kick, meaning a lot of the bass sound (the mids) is still coming through. That's another solution and even more subtle than the whole bass going up and down in volume. Or arrange the kick and bass in such a way that they don't try to occupy the same space. You'll need to pay attention to the release/ decay of the bass sound, plus if there are any delays happening, where the delayed notes happen to fall. A bit trickier. Sidechaining is quick, simple and effective. But there are other options to explore if you so desire.

Good info - guess after months of ignorning the "how do I side chain in Ableton" discussions I need to search and review that. Thanks.

In Live 7 Compressor, Gate and the Auto Filter support Sidechaining

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Damn, you weren't kidding. Just sidechained with freeware and used a tutorial video... world of difference. Thanks.

the-sixth: Yes, the stereo field is lost in a lot of clubs, at a lot of events. If people are standing right next to a speaker, they're not getting a stereo mix in their ears.

However, clubs/ raves are only one place where tunes get played. At home on speakers or headphones, definitely the listener will be able to appreciate the stereo field. It'll sound terrible if you make everything mono.

The thing to do is, give your tunes a pleasant stereo field, but make sure it also works in mono. I put a Waves S1 on my master channel, then I can quickly enable it and have my mix in mono, really quiet. If everything's coming through fine when you listen very quietly in mono, then it's all good.

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Originally posted by richg101 always sidechain the kick and bass.

No.

i got out of the habit of sidechaining my bass, now i tend to just get them to fit.