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Originally posted by Blahzaay I can send a video link of a guy doing it in Fruity Loops if you like?? Will have to fish it out for ya....

You must be talking about that Benny Bennassi style bassline tutorial using the Peak Controller. In that case, the reveerb on the bassline has a big role on how the track sounds.

I think the consensus on kick reverb is pretty uniform: if you want a clear banging track that sounds good on a big range of sound systems, have a dry kick. If you want a more atmospheric track, try adding some reveerb to your kick, just don't overdo it.

anyone have any idea of how to link velocity with wet signal of the reverb in logic??

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Originally posted by pwnage1 Please do. My bass lines generally sound like a cow farting passed through a equalizer. I am so horrible at bass it's ridiculous. I know a few producers and i am the only who cant seem to make a sub bass. I know that it is basically just a sine or triangle wave but mine always are either inaudible or sound like a metal fart. LOL, anyways if you could get that tutorial for me hopefully it could be a great help and also, anytips on a sub bass other than what i stated, :P.

Cool. It was a vid posted online and should still be there, hopefully I can still find it!!! Will check it out when I get home from work :-)

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Originally posted by Blahzaay Well said... The same type of thing applies to my bass sounds. There is a (not so common) effect that I got from a few guys which involves smashing a heap of reverb on your bass line but in a weird kind of way. You can set up the reverb so it gets louder as the bass gets quieter and quieter as the bass gets louder. So when your bassline is at full strength (127 on the midi scale) there is no reverb, but in between bass notes however the reverb is at full strength. If you have a lot of attack/release on the AMP Envelope of the bass, the reverb will fade in and out, in sync with the attack and release (but oppsite). When done right you get a cool gated reverb type of effect and can sound massive.

Yeah man, I'm glad you brought this up. This is something I tried a while back actually. Bass track dry, Duplicate track wet with high pass delay and/or reverb, and the duplicate wet track sidechained with the dry track as signal. Potentially for some REALLY great sound. With a ping-pong type delay on short notes it can sound real sweet. Your bassline maintains definition by sidechaining the effects.

I have a track going now that uses this actually, but I haven't tried it on the kick itself. Worth a shot!

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 maybe you heard the term 'room percussion' and thats what has you confused but your kicks should stay as dry as possible, usually just a touch of EQ to help it sit right with the bass. room percussion is generally used with top loops and only if your loops need to sit behind something else.

What? Born Slippy has a kick drum that is swamped in reverb. Your kicks don't have to be dry at all.

any good compressor setting for kicks.

I normally have 4:1 ratio
quick att, slow rel
still no go, my kicks are just too upfront.
help !

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Originally posted by Derivative What? Born Slippy has a kick drum that is swamped in reverb. Your kicks don't have to be dry at all.

+1, it really depends what type of sound you are trying to achieve.

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Originally posted by darkt help !

Give us a sample of it. What do you want it to sound like?

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There is no "good compressor setting for kicks". It totally depends on the sample you're using and what you want to do to it.

There are no magic "always eq leads like this to get them to sound bright and clear, use these eq settings for warmth, use this compression for kicks and basses to get them pumping properly" guidelines.

It's called mixing, engineering. You listen to the sounds, determine what is required and use the tools to do what is required. Some kicks may require a compressor with a 4:1 ratio, some with a 16:1 ratio, some with no compression at all. I know a lot of the Vengeance kicks are used by fantastic producers in fantastic productions straight up, with no extra compression or eq. It all depends on the other sounds happening around the kick. I know when I started out, I got frustrated by a lot of things, and kicks was one of those things. I tried eqing the heck out of them, going crazy with compression and getting frustrated to the max because nothing was working.

If you have good samples then you probably won't need to do much, if anything, to them. There are a number of fantastic sample bundles out there. I mention Vengeance because they're very widely used, with good cause. They're in many fantastic productions and sound great. But there are a number of other quality options.

If you have quality samples, they'll very naturally slot into place without going overboard with processing.

But please, don't look for "secrets" or "tricks" or "magic settings which always work, no matter what the original sound is". Learn your tools inside out, know what you want to do to your sound and use your tools to do it.