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Originally posted by julien2 Girls like guys who are passionate about something. If you are passionate about worldless music, you can still manage to screw her

sweet i can't wait to tell my wife how passionate i am about edm, i am so gonna nail her

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Originally posted by RJT Is the answer "Because they have a vagina"?

Doubtful.

Dammit.

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Same reason girls aren't into computers, video games, etc. Society just doesn't encourage them to explore these things (they're not considered "girly" enough), so they don't. Lyric based music is traditionally far more simplistic and far more accessible. In fact you'll find most intelligent things are considered 'guy things', while all exclusively 'girly' things are rather superficial - something left over from before the 60s. Fortunately this is changing though.

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Originally posted by Project-K In fact you'll find most intelligent things are considered 'guy things'...

I don't really think that's true. Technical subjects like math, physics, and engineering are often still considered "guy things," but other than those I can't think of any brainy thing considered "weird" for girls to do.

np: Marzio Dance Meets Luca Antolini - We Are (Instrumental Symphonic Remix)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't really think that's true. Technical subjects like math, physics, and engineering are often still considered "guy things," but other than those I can't think of any brainy thing considered "weird" for girls to do.

what brainy things can you think of that don't have anything to do with math, sciences, and physics?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid what other brainy things can you think of that don't have anything to do with math, sciences, and physics?

Non-scientific brainy things would include reading books, writing, classical music, and political analysis. Sociology, too, since it isn't really a science.

But there was a reason I didn't use the general term "sciences": because it isn't even considered "weird" anymore for women to be interested in most science-related subjects, like biology, psychology, or medicine. The only ones still considered "male things" by some people are the very math-heavy and computer-heavy ones like physics and engineering.

So I think the idea that women are discouraged from doing intelligent things in general is simply false.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Non-scientific brainy things would include reading books, writing, classical music, and political analysis. But there was a reason I didn't use the general term "sciences": because it isn't even considered "weird" anymore for women to be interested in most science-related subjects anymore, like biology, psychology, or medicine. The only ones still considered "male things" by some people are the very math-heavy and computer-heavy ones like physics and engineering. So I think the idea that women are discouraged from doing intelligent things in general is simply false.

No, those vague role models are still very much there. Notice how we give little boys toys like legos, construction kits, video games that challenges reflexes and perception - all of those things heavily stimulate their brains and encourage them to think. Meanwhile, we give girls bratz dolls and barbies so they can dress them up pretty and pretend they're ideal housewives.

How many girls do you know who like to build and fix computers? How many like to code their own programs? How many write or produce music? If you can't think of any brainy things that girls don't usually do - try harder.

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I remember reading somewhere a psychological study which discovered that females tend to talk more about people while males tend to talk more about things. That might have something to do with females wanting to hear people in music.

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Originally posted by Project-K Same reason girls aren't into computers, video games, etc. Society just doesn't encourage them to explore these things (they're not considered "girly" enough), so they don't. Lyric based music is traditionally far more simplistic and far more accessible. In fact you'll find most intelligent things are considered 'guy things', while all exclusively 'girly' things are rather superficial - something left over from before the 60s. Fortunately this is changing though.

So, society encourages girls to like lyrics or simplistic music? Nah, i don't think so. This societal-selective-reinforcement thing that you state can be true for certain things (e.g. videogames) but certainly it is not the whole story for others such as computer usage and musical preferences. In a matter of fact, i think that computers are heavily used by females in modern times. They are just (usually) used for different things. Whilst males use computers for almost everything (interaction, games etc.) girls use computers mostly for interaction. This behaviour i thing is not a result of cultural conditioning, but something which is hardwired in female behaviour.

From an evolutionary point, females were the "gatherers" and hence interaction (e.g. with members of the same trible)played a major role in their life (to construct social bonds in order to get assistance with child raising etc.), much more in comparison to males which were the hunters. It is not strange that males have better visuo-spatial and abstract reasoning skills whereas females have better verbal and inter-personal skills.



In the current case, i find it very hard to believe that society makes or forces girls to like simplistic or vocal music. All kinds of music are out there and any individual has an equal probability to get exposed to them. The fact that all kinds of music are available and that the majority of girls instinctively seek music of the vocal kind, would suggest that this preference could be hard-wired in their bahaviour. Now of course, vocal music certainly wouldn't have an evolutionary advantage, but it could be the epiphenomenon of other evolutionary behaviours, such as the general "verbal/interpersonal" module mentioned before. That very fact that music contains vocals and hence a communicative message, has an inter-personal value which could make it more attractive to a female listener.

And not forget that males were probably tending to sing in order to attract females (demonstration of love by means of musical ability) so there you go...

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