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Originally posted by DJ Eco Syrian-American and Jewish-American... The shittiness factor is why they're here.

As an immigrant i can atest to "shittiness" of The Ukraine in comparison to the USA.

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Last edited by Stef on Feb-29-2008 at 01:50

Well, I take my comment back, it's not so true too much anymore... A lot of people I grew up with who were Italian immigrants, both young and old, they're moving back to Italy... Even my brother's moving to Italy in May, and my mom's spending six months there and six months here from now on... Call it impulse but this country's going down the shitter too... The other day, my grandpa started crying (and I never see him cry) because he was depressed about what this country's turned into... He said he came to the US because he saw everything was big, made of gold, shining lights, land of oppurtunity... 60 years later and several million dollars more, and he's unhappy... His family in Italy are all doing amazing, they're all modern and tan and looking good, their family is prospering... And here he is in America, having lost a son to a car accident in the 80s, two of his grandsons in jail, and one in rehab, and his daughter (my mom) is moving back to the land they fled... It was really sad hearing this all out of his mouth, from the man who was "God-uh Bless-uh Amerigaaa" 100% ever since I've been a kid... The more my grandparents told their Italian paisans in their area about their troubles, they said they have the same troubles too... "My son's in rehab, my daughter's divorced for the third time, my grandson dropped out of school", all this shit... It's a sad commentary on society to see what the American Dream really led to in the long run, and it's sad to see our country how it is at its lowest point, having gone down so fast... Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I found it appropriate upon re-reading my first argument... I'm a dual-citizen to Italy, so you never know, I just might leave to there too someday, we'll see!


And I don't limit this just to Italians.. I read an article that a lot of the Irish that came illegally to Boston during the second half of the 20th century are going back in droves... My friend just moved back to Ecuador, another kid I know is probably moving back to Spain... When you have the possibility to move to a place where working takes a back seat to living, more and more Americans are going back... It's sad that the "If you don't like this country, go back where you came from" mentality is coming true... Little do the ignorants who say that know that it was the immigrants that built this country...


Aghh, rant... I'm cut off...

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Last edited by DJ Eco on Feb-29-2008 at 01:53

What you are talking about Marcello is very rare in the Russian/Ukrainian community. Nobody will willingly go back because there is no opportunity there for people who are over 45, and the elderly can forget about living with any sort of luxury. The details that you mentioned are all representative of the social situation and values of your group. I am sorry but it is unheard of for a normal former soviet woman to be divorced three times, and if the son of any Russian parents ever even thought about dropping out of school there would be serious repercussions, let alone . I like to think that my family has/is accomplished/accomplishing the American dream because when we came to this country we were on welfare and had nothing to our names; though after much hard work we now live in our own house, own two cars and can afford in most cases to squelch on random materials possessions. And to think less than 10 years ago i was living in a 1 bedroom apartment in Brooklyn with my grandmother while my parents worked. For me the American dream is still there, and i think it is because of the ethics, principles and morals of my people who unlike the modern day stereotypical Italian American are set high with goals and ambitions and not just getting by.
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Well, you're probably right in terms of speaking about your people, but that's because Communism ended only recently, relatively speaking... The scars of living in those countries are still there... Ukraine, or most of the Eastern European countries (minus Russia, which is coming back) are no where being close to being in the top 10 world economies, whereas, my example of Italy is way up there, I think 7th?...

And as for lumping the "stereotypical Italian" into the actions and life situations that I mentioned before, I'm not offended at all, but that's also not true at all... Italian-Americans are one of the most prosperous groups in the United States, and almost 85% of Italian-Americans are in white collar jobs and are above middle-class... That's the problem, is what I'm saying... Americanization and prosperity among immigrants brings a lot of things: money, prosperity, entertainment, etc... However, becoming "like an American", making money, and getting ahead in life unfortunately also brings a lot of baggage for the kids growing up a generation later, comfortable and without struggle in life. Dad and mom begin to work long hours to make sure they have the nice car and big house in suburbia, while their little boy is home alone until 8pm doing god knows what... Dad and mom work so much, they lose touch of each other and either live indifferently to the other's existence, or divorce cos of their differences...

The product of the "American Dream" is what I'm saying is the, unfortunate, cause of a lot of bad things also, nothing that should be attributed to any particular race or ethnic group or their tendencies. And as for the relatively new immigrants from Eastern Europe, they will work hard, have a great prosperous life, and make enough money to move out of the neighborhood, and its their kids and grandkids that will go through what I just mentioned...

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Originally posted by Stef De Roux I am sorry but it is unheard of for a normal former soviet woman to be divorced three times, and if the son of any Russian parents ever even thought about dropping out of school there would be serious repercussions, let alone .

This may be your limited experience with your family, their friends, and extended people you know... However, I do know A LOT of Russian kids (and Ukrainians too) that sell drugs; there's a lot of skeevy Russian-American girls on drugs in clubs that I would never be interested in (one actually promoted for me and stole $90 at the Martin Roth party lol); there's a lot of rough Russian, Polish, Eastern-European kids in Brooklyn, and I bet you their parents are the most hard-working, nicest, and well-intentioned people. More immersion into society brings both the good and the bad, and the generational divide between immigrants and their American-born kids is huuuuge, no matter what their background is.

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Wow, I totally jacked this thread, sorry guys.... I've been at the drawing/designing table all day today without a soul to talk to... haha

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this thread got interesting,
again thanks for keeping me awake at work for the record im italian/armenian ,my mothers side which is 100% italian are all very family oriented and upper middle class. my great grandfather had a fruit and vegetable co. and moved from sicily to new york,my grandmother was 1 of 4 chidren and they all did great and had big familys etc......
however
i stumbled across a term paper my father wrote on armenian heritage when he went to marshall, basically i found out my great great grandmother was thrown off a roof on to a spear by the turkish ..i am 200% all about my armenian heritage but would not want to go there or move there ever
sorry for the rant as well im real bored at work

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Originally posted by Dj_MadirozE bro im at work and i almost pissed myself with this comment,thanks for the good laugh.....

I aim to please

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Originally posted by DJ Eco LOL, that's a great one haha...

This thread should be a sticky in the c0r to show the c0r whores how to use fail pics properly

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[11:58] Bas //: fuck he's hot

We can all be sure who are the characters who threatened Marco V. Hint...they were not Buddhists. I also remember reading somewhere that Tiesto received death threats last year before a gig in some Muslim country (Indonesia?). It's a crying shame because the EDM scene appears to be taking off in countries such as UAE, Lebanon, Turkey...and even in Syria!

It's always religious fanatics that spoil the fun for everyone!

:shakes head:

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Wow,,so all it takes is a nasty e-mail to scare a Dj into not doing a gig...COOL..When's Armin coming ?..

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Originally posted by DJ Eco The product of the "American Dream" is what I'm saying is the, unfortunate, cause of a lot of bad things also, nothing that should be attributed to any particular race or ethnic group or their tendencies. And as for the relatively new immigrants from Eastern Europe, they will work hard, have a great prosperous life, and make enough money to move out of the neighborhood, and its their kids and grandkids that will go through what I just mentioned...

The problem with people's views of america is that it is highly idealistic. At the end of the day america is not much different than most other western countries. What makes america different is that there is an unattainable expectation that the US is a bastion of prosperity that anyone can tap into. The US doesn't have endless prosperity, and many people are unsuccessful here also. So when things go bad here for foreign people, it's twice as bad because those people could have stayed home to get shit on.