PKC, you pounced on him for no reason just because he made a reference to a religious text, not to argue a point or anything, just expressing his opinion about it. What's the big deal?

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z PKC, you pounced on him for no reason just because he made a reference to a religious text, not to argue a point or anything, just expressing his opinion about it. What's the big deal?

because i fail to see why quoting scripture is of ANY relevance whatsoever, let alone "compelling", it makes him no better than the zionists or your presidents that talk about what god told them to do, or the people that blow themselves up in god's name.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN because i fail to see why quoting scripture is of ANY relevance whatsoever, let alone "compelling", it makes him no better than the zionists or your presidents that talk about what god told them to do, or the people that blow themselves up in god's name.

So it's lack of relevance to you warrants being condescending and attacking him? How does that make him like the Zionists or Bush when he clearly said he just finds it interesting, as a side comment, which has nothing to do with anything he proposed or argued?

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you know what freaks me out? sauron in lord of the rings. dont see me mentioning him in regards to contemporary politics though. no, im just at a complete loss as to what relevance you seem to think it has in politics (other than helping to explain current problems and attitudes). i think the quoting of prophetic christian scripture to be completely retarded, which is why i said what i did. last time i checked - YOU made this thread about religion einstein. i certainly didn't click on this thread expecting some superstitious bullshit oozing out of the seams. i also wanted to see whether this video is of a higher standard than the usual nonsense you become infatuated with. alas i wont know until after work (the fact that its BBC though lends me some hope). there's no doubt a religiously-based zionist influence in the US, but to argue that's the only reason the US is in bed with israel just isnt credible. i find it rather ironic that you criticise the US' relationship with israel along religious lines, and then post some bollocks prophecy stuff that only the most crazy nutjobs believe.

You do know that evengelical christians are the leaders of the USA right? Do you know that Zionist Jews rule in Israel? Now, does religion have an ideological presence in politics? Politics is a battle of ideologies, and to think, that religion can somehow be separated from politics really is narrow thinking.

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as per usual, i find your understanding of the situation completely one-sided and overly-simplistic. again, you made it so with your idiotic contribution

Again, nothing added from your part but unjustified religion bashing. Great job ruining a perfectly good thread. .

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there's a difference between understanding the role that religion plays in the world and actually arguing that some kind of scripture is "compelling" for an argument related to the anti-christ or in any way holds relevance to the current state of affairs in the "holy" land.

AWESOME! Great! But why do you always concentrate only on religion bashing when the point of this thread was not in any way to advocate the practice of a religion!? You act like I'm trying to convert you or something. Dude, seriously, relax. Religion is not your freakin enemy. . .

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Originally posted by Krypton You do know that evengelical christians are the leaders of the USA right?

what? who?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So it's lack of relevance to you warrants being condescending and attacking him? How does that make him like the Zionists or Bush when he clearly said he just finds it interesting, as a side comment, which has nothing to do with anything he proposed or argued?

its not a "side" comment - the whole post is regarding religious influence between zionists and evangelical christians. it is completely related to what he is talking about, not to mention incredible hypocrisy at the same time. i didnt make this thread about religion, so back off.

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Originally posted by Krypton You do know that evengelical christians are the leaders of the USA right? Do you know that Zionist Jews rule in Israel?

again, your understanding of the situation is completely one-sided and overly simplistic. to argue that evangelical christians run the US government simply isnt true. they are a lobby group like any other, with a greater (or lesser) sphere of influence depending on which party is in power, and who their leader is. it certainly doesn't explain the US' historical support for israel over the last 60 years. go watch some more of zeitgeist and any other fantastically researched endeavours!

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Originally posted by Krypton to think, that religion can somehow be separated from politics really is narrow thinking.

only because fools like you believe it is rational and "compelling" to quote scripture when talking about the prospects of peace in the middle east. the only reason religion is involved in politics is because there arent enough people that think like me, pure and simple.

but to argue that evangelical christianism is the single, most important factor in american foreign policy in regards to israel is just a juvenile and adolescent argument.



so, is this thread about israel's WMDs or some conspiracy concerning the NWO and their christian backers and what krypton thinks the bible has to say about the whole thing?

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Originally posted by Q5echo what? who?

Tell me you're not serious . . .George Bush for one. . .

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"I urge all Texans to answer the call to serve those in need. By volunteering their time, energy or resources to helping others, adults and youngsters follow Christ's message of love and service in thought and deed." Therefore, I, George W. Bush, Governor of Texas, do hereby proclaim June 10, 2000, Jesus Day in Texas and urge the appropriate recognition whereof, In official recognition whereof, I hereby affix my signature this 17th day of April, 2000. "Jesus Day 2000" Proclamation

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Originally posted by Krypton Tell me you're not serious . . .George Bush for one. . .

which is qualitatively different to

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I find the anti-christ prophecy very compelling at this juncture. . . quote: Daniel 9 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." I find it horrifying that according to this prophecy, whether you believe it or not, inplies that the man who bring peace to the Middle East is the so-called "anti-christ". . .

how exactly?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so, is this thread about israel's WMDs or some conspiracy concerning the NWO and their christian backers and what krypton thinks the bible has to say about the whole thing?

Dude, you just concentrate on bashing religion. This thread's supposed to be about Israeli WMDs, and the hypocrisy of trying to make Iran stop it's own program. There is a religious component to all of this regardless of what you think. How about adding something to the topic at hand. Instead of bashing me and religion. . .

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN which is qualitatively different to how exactly?

What's your point? Q wanted to know who was an evengelical christian in the white house. Again, just more concentrated religion bashing...

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Originally posted by Krypton Dude, you just concentrate on bashing religion. This thread's supposed to be about Israeli WMDs, and the hypocrisy of trying to make Iran stop it's own program. There is a religious component to all of this regardless of what you think.

why is it hypocrisy to oppose iran's nuclear program? last time i checked, two wrongs dont make a right. the proliferation of nuclear weapons is a serious business and just because some states have them does not, a priori, give all states the right to have them as well. global politics isnt about equality, i hate to tell you. how many nations have veto powers on the UN security council?

saying iran should have nuclear weapons because israel does is just awful logic. how on earth will we EVER disarm the world if we're constantly allowing more and more countries to develop WMD? its ludicious to argue that iran has any inherent "right" to atomic weapons.

at least we know israel can be trusted with such weapons, by virtue of not having used them or provided nuclear technology to others (that i know of).

of course there is a "religious component" in regards to nuclear weapons, but its more related to the jihadists and their propensity for supporting martyrdom and the end of days in israel than some influence of the christian right in america (which does exist obviously but its not all-powerful like you seem to think), it certianly isnt enough to explain the nature of the WORLD's support and acceptance of the israeli state.

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Originally posted by Krypton How about adding something to the topic at hand. Instead of bashing me and religion. . .

because i am/was honestly confused about what your point was. i havent watched the video yet so there's less to say.

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Originally posted by Krypton George Bush for one. . .

for one, Bushitler is not Evangelical. he's a Christian, born again, yes. recieves support from Evangelicals, and was ELECTED in a Christian society, but he's not Evangelical.

small thinkers tend to lump things into a convenient pile when someone upholds Christian values.

when i think Evangelical i think of people who go out of their way to convert others.

your using it as a general term is fairly inaccurate, but whatever. it only leads one to believe youre wading in the shallow end of the intellectual pool again.

carry on. i'm not dragging this thread into the weeds