Michael Russo,

First of all I was expressing my own opinion. I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional. For instance the first thing I note, always, is the amateurish drum and bass. Either the snare is too harsh, or the bass is slightly off, or something else is wrong.

If you use FruityLoops you may very well have the skills and knowledge required, and I'm not insulting you in any way, but the truth is that even with those skills it's hard to get a professional sound, and there's a steep learning curve. In FruityLoops, in order to make the first step and get a nice-sounding synth, you have to dig through hundreds of panels and settings.

Yes, you're correct about waveforms... but almost no one uses any samples or synths that FruityLoops provides, because they're extremely shitty. Most people who use FruityLoops input the sounds from an external source, and use the software for sequencing. Am I wrong?

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Originally posted by Eugene I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional.

thats cuz were all learning

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Okay, before this turns into yet another flame war, let me put some perspective on both sides of the issue.

I've got keyboards, drum machines, guitar pedals and other gear from three different decades. Recently, I've been working primarily in Fruityloops, 'cause it's so central and convenient. I've also done tracks with Cakewalk, Acid, Making Waves, HammerHead, Rebirth and a bunch of little homegrown apps from SMM and such.

This little *ahem* discussion prompted me to compare tracks that were done with different methods. There is certainly a difference even in just the sound quality alone. Looking at Fruityloops for a second, I can say from working with it that it does have a thinner, drier sound even when putting it through its full paces. Don't forget, Fruityloops is all about generators (and effects which I'll get to), including the sampler tracks. In other words, it's closer to synth than to digital multitrack. Once we're talking synths, we're talking quality of sound sources.

Let's take your plain old sawtooth. My 1979 analog synth makes a funky, fat saw. My 1987 synth makes a warm, contained saw. My 1990 Yamaha does a thin, somewhat muddy saw like every other early-90's sound. And so on.

Then you look at different companies' filters which all sound different, you look at different reverbs, compressors, and so on and you can see how the pros get their wide, sweet, 3-dimentional sound. It's not mastering EQ. It's the relationships between all the different manufacturers' amp circuits and dark little delays and bright digital flangers and so on.

That being said, I totally disagree with anything being "just a toy". Everything and anything is a resource to an inspired imagination. From there, having a greater variety of gear just "increases the resolution" of your completed ideas. But if all you've got is Fruityloops, then squeeze the crap out of Fruityloops to get the best sound you can. The effort will show through.

I have to say that at least I like Fruity!!! I like those sounds that comes out of it (I have heard many almost professional sounds made only wiht fruity). And even basses made with Fruity can be quite bumbing.

Many of us don't really have money to buy hardware synths or other "great" stuff... So softwares are the thing we use (easy to use and quite often FREE).

Yes, U get phat sounds out of hardwares, but U can get almost same sounds out of softwares also

My boyfriend has Virus synth and RM1 sequencer and I am free to use those hardwares when ever I feel to... But I just don't like them... I got all I need in Fruity (at least for now)

Fruity is easy for beginner. Easy to learn the basics. And what then when U have learnd to create sounds with Fruity (or with some other software)? If U can get nice sounds even when U are just beginner, think what U get when U are something else than just beginner

So, software can be real gift from gods. It just always depends who is using it!

Last edited by Joi Lamusic on May-11-2002 at 05:39

Exactly. That's what's nice about Fruityloops, it lets you do basic things at the beginner level, and then once you really get into the gory guts of things, you can do stuff like THIS!!

Last edited by Taz on May-11-2002 at 07:12

taz, that fruity stuff sounds pretty good!!
i think im just have to spend lots of time with one (or 2) of those programs (f#ck my exams).. ohw 1 more question.. is it possible that someone sends me an .rns or .flp file so i can see how its done
? i can understand if noone can ofcours
thanks all for replying

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Originally posted by Eugene I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional. For instance the first thing I note, always, is the amateurish drum and bass. Either the snare is too harsh, or the bass is slightly off, or something else is wrong.

Yes, it takes a very long time to learn how to produce... you think these same problems don't happen with people who use hardware? When you're starting out, you won't get pro quality no matter what you use.

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Originally posted by Eugene If you use FruityLoops you may very well have the skills and knowledge required, and I'm not insulting you in any way, but the truth is that even with those skills it's hard to get a professional sound, and there's a steep learning curve. In FruityLoops, in order to make the first step and get a nice-sounding synth, you have to dig through hundreds of panels and settings.

You can very well get a professional sound... and there aren't hundreds of panels in fruity. The bottom line is that if you put shit in you get shit out... that's why people criticize fruity... not because it isn't good, but because many of the people who use it aren't the greatest producers (myself included).

The fact is that ppl who cant use Fruity say its crap, and those that can - LOVE IT!

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how to create a 'professional sound' with software?

It´s simple...

Just do it!

Taz, again GREAT sound!!! WoW!! Ummhh... I hope there will be flp-file from that awesome loop

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I've downloaded many samples and songs written by the trancEaddicts here who used FruityLoops, and I must say that not one of those productions impressed me as being professional.

Before anything else, I'm awaiting my critique.