sorry but the only money i've ever seen in this so far has been thru advances...

So your saying I should get a advance? I thought you were saying the remixers would get a advance.

even tho I might not ever see the money, i still wont the fair deal to go down.

Would you mind telling me how the deal went/would have gone down with "something good"?

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Originally posted by richg101 lots of stuff

pressing vinyl just isn't worth it anymore these days, the label has no risks and usually earns a lot more with digital only releases (with maybe additional cd release). even some of the bigger and better trance labels like joof have gone 100% digital. nowadays unless the track is from a big selling name, or has enough commercial factor to move the records, there's no use of putting it out on a vinyl.

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Originally posted by a98 lots of stuff.

true. but why do all of you mind so much the money from sales? the thing is to get promotion so u can get gigs after a while, theres still money there.

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Originally posted by a98 pressing vinyl just isn't worth it anymore these days, the label has no risks and usually earns a lot more with digital only releases (with maybe additional cd release). even some of the bigger and better trance labels like joof have gone 100% digital. nowadays unless the track is from a big selling name, or has enough commercial factor to move the records, there's no use of putting it out on a vinyl.

disagree 100%. im no big name and i have a release coming out on vinyl with discover in may.

strange as it may seem people still like to have vinyl. i still buy vinyl even though ive moved to cdjs and serato soley. vinyl still sells and always will.

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Originally posted by sterilis disagree 100%. im no big name and i have a release coming out on vinyl with discover in may. strange as it may seem people still like to have vinyl. i still buy vinyl even though ive moved to cdjs and serato soley. vinyl still sells and always will.

You just made me laugh. Vinyl will always sell, true. But in general vinyl releases cost more than the income they generate. Some of the biggest trance labels are stopping vinyl. How come that is? There's only 1 possible answer. It's considered doable to get vinyl releases to get break-even. Profits however, rarely. Companies need money to exist. Just few are solely in there to invest on getting vinyls out, often they have to take their losses and get some more money from their personal accounts in there to keep it all going. In dance music, vinyl has no significant future anymore.

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Originally posted by Storyteller You just made me laugh. Vinyl will always sell, true. But in general vinyl releases cost more than the income they generate. Some of the biggest trance labels are stopping vinyl. How come that is? There's only 1 possible answer. It's considered doable to get vinyl releases to get break-even. Profits however, rarely. Companies need money to exist. Just few are solely in there to invest on getting vinyls out, often they have to take their losses and get some more money from their personal accounts in there to keep it all going. In dance music, vinyl has no significant future anymore.

so you've agreed with me yet, i made you laugh i still dont get your point.

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Originally posted by a98 pressing vinyl just isn't worth it anymore these days, the label has no risks and usually earns a lot more with digital only releases (with maybe additional cd release). even some of the bigger and better trance labels like joof have gone 100% digital. nowadays unless the track is from a big selling name, or has enough commercial factor to move the records, there's no use of putting it out on a vinyl.

techno labels still release vinyl and make money off it. not as much as they used to, but its still worth doing.

i was surprised that the track and my rmx were being pressed, but i took the bait and then found out it was bullshit. fuck it. id sooner bin the whole rmx than let it get used for some shitty digital release on a shitty label. the vinyl made it worth it, now im not interested and would rather it stayed exclusive to me than i earn £20 from digital sales. the only bad part is that it doesnt get into any hands that might want it in their collection.

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Originally posted by sterilis so you've agreed with me yet, i made you laugh i still dont get your point.

I thought your statement was a bit naive. That's why I laughed.

I only agree on the idea that vinyl will keep on existing. As said. It has no significant future in the dance industry as it is right now. It will fade and be replaced. Quite soon. Only purists that are ready to spend some money will still put out a vinyl. Professional companies will not, for obvious reasons.

I've done a research project for school which involved about 20 labels from the house/trance and drum and bass scene. The labels ranged from $10 companies to those that earn hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. One thing was very clear. Vinyl sales still dropped. Many labels take the loss because of the prestige of vinyl. Also half of them claimed they would stop releasing vinyl within a year.

The Drum and bass part seems to be a bit behind, they're more or less where the house/trance was 3-5 years ago or so. Vinyl sales are dropping but digital sales are just getting off the ground. Even they see the end of vinyl coming closer. I can only imagine it will be similar for techno and other genres.

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Originally posted by Storyteller I thought your statement was a bit naive. That's why I laughed. I only agree on the idea that vinyl will be here keep on existing. As said. It has no significant future in the dance industry as it is right now. It will fade and be replaced. Quite soon. Only purists that are ready to spend some money will still put out a vinyl. Professional companies will not, for obvious reasons. I've done a research project for school which involved about 20 labels from the house/trance and drum and bass scene. The labels ranged from $10 companies to those that earn hundreds of thousands of dollars each year. One thing was very clear. Vinyl sales still dropped. Many labels take the loss because of the prestige of vinyl. Also half of them claimed they would stop releasing vinyl within a year. The Drum and bass part seems to be a bit behind, they're more or less where the house/trance was 3-5 years ago or so. Vinyl sales are dropping but digital sales are just getting off the ground. Even they see the end of vinyl coming closer. I can only imagine it will be similar for techno and other genres.

my statement was proving a point that not only big names can get a vinyl release. i dont see the naivity in that at all. the other part was vinyl will always sell as you agreed with so your post is meaningless.

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Just realise you got to the right people in the right time. This will be very uncommon within the near future. Unless you get to find one of those purists mentioned in earlier posts. Your label is likely to take a loss on your release, that's what a98 was saying. The commercial interest just isn't there anymore.

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