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Originally posted by mezzir hahaha seriously? wonder if they gave them the questionnaire before they came down

that'd be great.

The abstract says that the overall trial period was 8.1 +/- 6.5 months and the followup after the last e use was 7.7 +/- 4.4 weeks. Still, there were no tests done on hormone levels and other shit that might somehow accurately determine the subject's level of depression.

Fuck...

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Originally posted by silene that'd be great. The abstract says that the overall trial period was 8.1 +/- 6.5 months and the followup after the last e use was 7.7 +/- 4.4 weeks. Still, there were no tests done on hormone levels and other shit that might somehow accurately determine the subject's level of depression. Fuck...

I dunno, if a person doesn't feel sad anymore, wouldn't you say they are no longer depressed? Depression is really subjective. You can't judge it based purely on hormone levels.

I could easily see good experiences on E helping people get perspective on issues which may be causing their depression, which could help them become un-depressed in the future.

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If you by extacy mean the tablets of unknown origin floating around parties at a tenner a piece i doubt it'll do you any good. If you are talking about medicinal grade MDMA its another thing entirely.

"Dr. Julie Holland, a psychiatrist at New York University, says MDMA holds promise as an aid to psychotherapy for some patients, if taken under the guidance of a trained therapist under tightly controlled conditions. The federal government has approved early human trials."
http://www.mdma.net/ecstasy/ecstasy-guide.html

It has been used in Holland for the purpose, but afaii they gave it up because of the controversy it created with other countries (not because it didnt work its purpose)

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I could easily see good experiences on E helping people get perspective on issues which may be causing their depression, which could help them become un-depressed in the future

You just summed me up there.

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I could easily see good experiences on E helping people get perspective on issues which may be causing their depression, which could help them become un-depressed in the future.

This is exactly it. It gives you a chance to look at things from another perspective, and a chance to enjoy a couple hours without the constant crush of stress and negative thoughts. I know that I usually come out of a night on pills feeling much better about myself and the world around me, and the first time I tried MDMA completely changed my outlook on life (for the better).

Of course this often leads to people abusing the drug heavily, which leads to shitty comedowns and fucking up your serotonin system, which would only compound any pre-existing depression. But taken safely, I think MDMA is something that can really help give you a much more positive outlook on life.

I dont know but I popped about a week ago and had a horrible trip. ive also been feeling worse since. i suppose it depends on the individual?

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Originally posted by Taranis and the first time I tried MDMA completely changed my outlook on life (for the better).

that's retarded.

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Originally posted by silene So, i just finished skimming the study, and it turns out that the decreased levels of depression was determined solely from self-administered questionnaires give to the test subjects; not very reliable.

How else do you diagnose depression other than through subjective patient responses? Is there a blood test for depression out now that I'm not aware of?