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Originally posted by elFreak corporate sponsorships are healthy because they allow electronic music to be brought to places that are not hotbeds and increase its fan base. Remember there is a big % of the population who has no clue who Tiesto is and call everything Techno .

But I'm not sure if having the general population associate electronic music with cheesy crap will do us any favors either...

Sure, nowadays I get to hear electronic music outside of my own house... the problem is that it's usually some asshole blasting "Love Generation" as he drives by my apartment at 3am.

But those people who like the cheese will learn to appreciate minimal house or any other style or genre within a few years. for some people this cheese electronic music is gateway to the other genres.

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Originally posted by DarV But those people who like the cheese will learn to appreciate minimal house or any other style or genre within a few years. for some people this cheese electronic music is gateway to the other genres.

or so you would think. There's ppl on here who will always think Armin is God and will never touch minimal. These are the same folks who still use words like "diss" "not going there" "wassup b" and "Tiesto rules" are now just jumping on the "my bad" bandwagon

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Originally posted by Spin Laden or so you would think. There's ppl on here who will always think Armin is God and will never touch minimal. These are the same folks who still use words like "diss" "not going there" "wassup b" and "Tiesto rules" are now just jumping on the "my bad" bandwagon

I do Jesus poses to MINIMAL

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Originally posted by DarV But those people who like the cheese will learn to appreciate minimal house or any other style or genre within a few years. for some people this cheese electronic music is gateway to the other genres.

For many people, that cheesy crap is the hook into the EDM world. Many of us started out as trance lovers and our musical tastes progressed from there. When I first got into EDM it was Tiesto and PVD that hooked me. It opened the door to the rest of the scene. And while my preferences now heavily favor many flavors of house, I have to give credit to the "cheese electronic music" for getting me into EDM in the first place.

So from a business standpoint I think Tiesto is doing the EDM world a favor and opening some eyes, as much as many of you may cringe at that thought.

look, i might think tiesto is utter shit in the studio and behind the decks, but i would much prefer noobs listen to that than 50 cent and soldier boy. Its the lesser of both evils and like mentionned before, trance is only a phase...the training wheels eventually come off for everyone.

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Originally posted by elFreak look, i might think tiesto is utter shit in the studio and behind the decks, but i would much prefer noobs listen to that than 50 cent and soldier boy. Its the lesser of both evils and like mentionned before, trance is only a phase...the training wheels eventually come off for everyone.

Trance is not only a phase, that is too much of a bold statement to make....
And the "training wheels" do not come of for everyone... They come of for a minority, like u and me

soldier boy is a training wheel

I like EDM the way it is now...
No sharing the pie...
So Tiesto's like bud... start bunning, bun for a while, bun a bit more, what's the next step... for many, hover a line... for others, pop a candy... people eventually find their thing and stick to it, but you always have those cats who are stuck on bud. And that's that. Those who are interested will seek and break popular boundaries, those who aren't won't. This isn't the Swiffer you're promoting here. I believe Tiesto to be doing it just for the dough, not for some noble EDM cause.

elfreak: You're so much better in the studio right? Do you honestly belive there is a phase process? I think you have no fucking idea how this works at all. If all the training wheels came off everyone would be into deep tech and minimal. But what do i see?? I see empty clubs when a prog house happens unless its sasha or john digweed. Again do we see a common thread here? Most people actually get into guys like tiesto/armin or whoever and then leave once they find it boring they leave for good. They dont even venture into the other sounds.

Stereohead: If you think he is doing it for the fame you should really think again because you have no idea and really how could you? Have you talked to him personally? Has he said himself he is it for the fame and hates the music he plays? Can you read his mind??
Or are you just going on what your elite friends opinions on the forums say. I personally would of quit after the olympics thing because i would be set for life, but yes he must be continuing this to make more fame.

Let me educate you a little bit because you also have no fucking clue although you think you do. He wants to expand his music and as he gets larger and larger more people will hate him for what he is trying to accomplish. But yet he is a huge driving force right now for the scene. His sound is everywhere right now, is it not a dream of any artist to get his music to be listened by as many people as possible? On a global perspective, it also benefits the whole scene.

I also dont understand people who say he plays mainstream. Maybe a few odd tracks here and there but he still plays the same fucking epic trance music he did in 1998 or 1999 when no one heard of the name "tiesto". The only difference is the sound has changed, but his sets still follow the same formula he has been doing forever.
Again actually listen instead of just going on what other people say.

So whats the problem? A majority of it his fan base. The media. The same usual factors when some person gets so huge. Misinformed opinions. 75% of his fanbase are uneducated fools who think he just made Traffic and dance 4 life. If you ask them what the "magik" cd's or forbidon paradise would be they would have no fucking clue. A lot right now just go for the fact its a tiesto show and the energy at his parties are "unreal" so they must see what its about.

Along with the idiot fanbase you have people who are stuck beliving their music is somehow more intelligent and the "next step" in the chain. Its not, music is music. These kind of people are in more off a blackhole then a newbie who likes brittany spears.

What tiesto has done like no other is make music that appeals to everyone while yet still keeping a portion of that old sound you hear. In terms of production talk i think he is one of the most diversified trance djs. Ferry's productions are all very similiar in structure, armins turned to pop vocal trance right now. If we talk studio work i would look at all of the tiesto tracks and have a hard tell figuring it was all tiesto. Has his production work gone downhill? Definately. His fanbase is completely different. I think he has a hard time catering to everyone. You cant please everyone especially when you have millions of fans

End points:

-people are clueless. Both the elite prog dirty beats who think they know absolutey everything in the dance music scene and the new fanboy who just heard tiestos new track and think its the coolest thing in the world.
But hey i guess everyone has their place which makes it so interesting

- tiesto and his marketing team are fucking geniuses. It even benefits all you minimal heads, you might gain one new fan of that sound down the line from the thousands of fans tiesto gains tommorow!


I cant wait too see the threads when he headlines the ACC or bell stadium and dont doubt that will not happen in a year or two. I say let him take it higher, you can always push yourself to be bigger in this world.


I'll be with 8000 people june 30th rocking it out. I hope he drops yahel - open your mind. What a classic that one is and he has been playing it lately. Anyways, continue on!