Not to push my production, but is the following track by me innovative stuff or just formulaic KRAP?


[Quality is so so and i'm still working on it, but i wanted the wolrld to listen.]

Vibrasphere?
Ah, now it rings a bell, the track Erosion is quite brilliant and his other tracks are also quite good.
The other producer suggestions are quite good.

Yeah, i think we need to have more discovery in trance and less formula.

pretty decent track u made, you took the kick from Lostep though

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Originally posted by Subtle If the big DJs had stopped playing the shitty trance, people might have opened their eyes to some cooler and more innovative music. If Armin and started playing what Lawrence or Joof are playing, we would see some change in the scene. Either by dropping popularity or more innovative music. Both being a good thing.

there are many fans of the armin type of trance, its pure a personal preference whether you want to hear "innovative" trance or not. I wonder if thats really innovative or just a less popular type of trance... i think the latter one.

I think time will tell how trance will evolve... it just goes with small steps i think.

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Originally posted by Stino there are many fans of the armin type of trance, its pure a personal preference whether you want to hear "innovative" trance or not. I wonder if thats really innovative or just a less popular type of trance... i think the latter one. I think time will tell how trance will evolve... it just goes with small steps i think.

You`re an biased ASOT regular. Ur one of those evil 1000 producers who make Dance, and calls it Trance.

Trance has always been about innovation. ALWAYS.. All trance tracks from before 2002 always sounded unique and innovative.

Thats why it was so much fun, you bought a new CD and were always looking for that mindblowing new track u had never heard anything like.

And back then, it delivered.

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Last edited by Subtle on Apr-21-2008 at 18:40

Airwave's new album should be pretty unique.

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Yeah, trance like ASOT etc... sound just like dance now. 50%+ of the track played in these shows inclued vocal that sound 90's euro dance.
My dream is that trance music become that it was between 90 and 95. In this era, that was true Trance, before stupid tune like gouryella, out of the blue and carte blanche killed this.

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Originally posted by Subtle Trance has always been about innovation. ALWAYS.. All trance tracks from before 2002 always sounded unique and innovative.

Not really. Most Trance tracks always imitated one another, and this goes back to Sven Vath being in his prime in the early to mid 90s. A lot of tracks sounded the same later on regardless if they were psy, progressive, hard, or euphoric. Perhaps you were just too new to the scene to properly be exposed to the majority of track.

There's nothing wrong though with a lot of tracks showing similarities. A lot of times tunes sound better and bigger then life when they're played out live.

I actually think the problem isn't that Trance records need to slow down, but rather to be pitched up again! During Trance's first real wave between 92-95 it was fast, but not quite as fast as Happy Hardcore. Progressive House on the other hand was pretty slow.

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Originally posted by skip emotion. if i made music, i'd try to base it on my emotions and not think about how it should sound etc. nowadays producers seem to think like this: "let's make a track that goes like this and sounds like this" i'd like them not to think at all, but rather try to put what they feel in to the sequencer (or whatever the fuck they use to make music) and make the tracks based on that.

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Originally posted by CHRles Not really. Most Trance tracks always imitated one another, and this goes back to Sven Vath being in his prime in the early to mid 90s. A lot of tracks sounded the same later on regardless if they were psy, progressive, hard, or euphoric. Perhaps you were just too new to the scene to properly be exposed to the majority of track. There's nothing wrong though with a lot of tracks showing similarities. A lot of times tunes sound better and bigger then life when they're played out live. I actually think the problem isn't that Trance records need to slow down, but rather to be pitched up again! During Trance's first real wave between 92-95 it was fast, but not quite as fast as Happy Hardcore. Progressive House on the other hand was pretty slow.

Similarities ? Ofcourse.. if there were no similarities it wouldnt be the same style.

Ive been in the scene since 1998, what happened before that.. i have little knowledge about.

But now 90% of all trance sounds pretty much excactly the same. And then u got the last 10% of tracks sounding fresh and good.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Similarly to the Detroit and Dub techno you mentioned in the other thread. Tracks from people like Joris Voorn and Vince Watson sound like they are made for the puspose of evoking a very specific type of emotions (the off-chord, moody, jazzy thing). Not to mention dub-techno stuff like Basic Channel which just evoke one emotion, this type of moody druggy feel lol. This is not a problem of Trance, this is a problem of EDM in general! Again, i'm not saying that i don't like these artists. But seriously, they do NOTHING more or NEW in comparison to current trance artists, nor they create a larger range of emotions. Hah, this refers to that other "Emotion" thread and the conversation we had...

i have no problems with limited emotional palettes, just with unoriginality.

basic channel is like the mark rothko of dance music. i mean the limited, reduced emotional content goes hand in hand with the sonic concept.

with trance it's simply a result of not being creative.


i don't see how you can make any comparsion here.

i think the real problem here is that trance music was never meant to be dance music in the sense of a club packed with drunk people worshipping a DJ. trance was meant to be about the music and the experience of being taken to a new place by the music. the music in a modern day club context is only used to enhance the current atmosphere instead of creating a totally new one. i have seen tiesto, above and beyond, paul van dyk, paul oakenfold, and ferry corsten. not one of them except ferry played trance music. ferry played some deep intense stuff that people didn't even dance to. everybody just closed their eyes and swayed to it. that is trance. trance does not involve dancing with your partner in a sexually suggestive way nor does it involve fist pumping and jesus poses.

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Originally posted by piku303 i think the real problem here is that trance music was never meant to be dance music in the sense of a club packed with drunk people worshipping a DJ. trance was meant to be about the music and the experience of being taken to a new place by the music. the music in a modern day club context is only used to enhance the current atmosphere instead of creating a totally new one. i have seen tiesto, above and beyond, paul van dyk, paul oakenfold, and ferry corsten. not one of them except ferry played trance music. ferry played some deep intense stuff that people didn't even dance to. everybody just closed their eyes and swayed to it. that is trance. trance does not involve dancing with your partner in a sexually suggestive way nor does it involve fist pumping and jesus poses.

Totally agree.

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