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Originally posted by sljiva You know that Autechre released the new album this year?

I got it the first day it came out.

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Originally posted by ibizzzaaa I got it the first day it came out.

Then I don't see where's the problem. I'm still discovering and noticing something new with each new listen
Plus, get Radio Scarecrow, Soundtrack To A Vacant Life, Ringer EP and you're set for this year

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It kind of sounds like you're just getting tired of dance music in general.

Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

What you describe is just a part of the disposable music culture - it is neither good nor bad. EDM isn't supposed to be complex or sophisticated, it's supposed to be functional. If you want something you can listen to over and over again and always discover something new, then maybe you should consider exploring other forms of music.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That's probably because the vast majority of EDM isn't very complex, so there's not really much to "discover" by listening to it again and again.

But music doesn't necessarily have to be complex. For example, Boards Of Canada, I mean you have to admit their material isn't very difficult to get into, but yet it is pleasant and fun to listen to. I would like to see more dance music aesthetically closer to what Boards of Canada do - top quality, moderately simple, yet never any concrete, obligatory structure that literally strangles most of EDM for me. Most Border Community releases have achieved that aesthetic quite well, as well as material on Holden's Balance and At The Controls.

I guess a lot of times EDM just takes itself too seriously and tries to be either too "deep" or too melodic, turning most of the time into being just too predictable, thus pretentious.

Post punk groups of early 80's were on a pretty low level as far as their abilities with playing instruments went, yet they didn't hide it and therefore their sound was always energetic and fun to listen to. It's not always about complexity.

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Originally posted by sljiva Then I don't see where's the problem. I'm still discovering and noticing something new with each new listen Plus, get Radio Scarecrow, Soundtrack To A Vacant Life, Ringer EP and you're set for this year

I know, I know, I'm still only about halfway through with getting myself familiar with back-catalogs of aphex twin, autechre and squarepusher, plus there are a lot of other names that I need to check out, but just read my previous post.

Then I think you're listening to wrong music. Seems like you want to hear certain characteristic of, let's say, IDM in your trendy tech/mnml/whatever music. Why not just listen to IDM instead? There are a lot of artists who are making complex, but beautiful music and (here's that phrase again) you just have to discover it for yourself.

Start with Skam (home of Bola and early BoC), Ninja Tune (Amon Tobin), Warp (Prefuse 73), Rephlex (The Tuss, Dopplereffekt), Planet Mu (µ-Ziq), Proem, The Flashbulb... they all released the albums last year.

If you want some more, just say

get into psy-trance

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And just one thing: if you want "mellow" music silimar to BoC, I'd say stay away from Squarepusher and Autechre (except for Amber and Incunabula). Try Plaid instead

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Originally posted by sljiva Then I think you're listening to wrong music. Seems like you want to hear certain characteristic of, let's say, IDM in your trendy tech/mnml/whatever music. Why not just listen to IDM instead? There are a lot of artists who are making complex, but beautiful music and (here's that phrase again) you just have to discover it for yourself. Start with Skam (home of Bola and early BoC), Ninja Tune (Amon Tobin), Warp (Prefuse 73), Rephlex (The Tuss, Dopplereffekt), Planet Mu (µ-Ziq), Proem, The Flashbulb... they all released the albums last year. If you want some more, just say

Thanks a lot for recommendations, I already have general idea of how they sound and I understand where you are going with this, but I would still like to see more music that you can dance to and which carries some aesthetics of idm, as I already said, early Border Community releases are example of this; music on those releases carries this lightweight, energetic spirit that you don't get enough of in IDM.

By the way, I'm pretty well familiar with the madness side of squarepusher and autechre, and I'm totally okay with it. I just need to be in the mood for it.

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Originally posted by PezCore get into psy-trance

Yeah, it can be good in small doses. Like stuff on joof.

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Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs Prog rock/Post rock is your friend

This.



Some good albums that an EDM/IDM/Electronica fan may like:


for 70s prog-rock, German Kraut-rock was an experimental sub-genre which was very electronic and minimalistic with proto-ambient atmospheres and stuff. Kraftwerk were part of it, so if you want something more adventurous this is for you.

Neu! - "75"

Can - "Future Days"

Harmonia - "De Luxe"

Cluster - "Zuckerzeit"

Tangerine Dream - "Stratosfear"

plus the classig big British prog-rock names, early Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Van Der Graaf Generator, Camel etc.


For modern post-rock music (including neo-shoegaze stuff) these:


M83 - "Before The Dawn Heals Us" (Both the previous one "Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts" as well as the new one "Saturdays = Youth" are equally amazing, although in slightly different styles. What can i say, i often listen to this epic masterpiece since the day it came out).

Hammock - "Kenotic" (Lush shoe-gaze post-rock with lots of atmospheric effects and synths. plus "Raising Your Voice...Trying To Stop An Echo" is excellent. New one "Maybe They Will Sing For Us Tomorrow" looks excellent and i'm really salivating with anticipation! If you like Ulrich Schnauss, you'll probably like M83 and Hammock)


Sigur Ros - "Takk" (epic, orchestral post-rock masterpiece. Lots of quitar effects, cellos, synths etc.)


Blueneck - "Scars of The Midwest" (melancholic neo-classical ambient masterpiece. For the more peaceful moments).


Arms and Sleepers - "Black Paris 86" (new electronic down-tempo album, by these guys. Lyrical electronic music with attitude and emotion, not just another downtempo album)


Port-Royal - "Afraid To Dance" (still listening to it from the day it came out. Imagine Autechre of the "Amber" period jamming with Mogwai and Godspeed You Black Emperor! It is THAT good)

El Ten Eleven - "El Ten Eleven" (take a sweet quitar melody, loop-it, build another sweet loop on top, add a beautiful melodic-line, add a few electronics, increase the tension , explode into a lush crescendo, loop another quitar etc. The best of true "minimalism". Or how post-rock can become minimalistic. Or how "minimalistic" can be "maximalistic" at the same time).


This Will Destroy You - "This Will Destroy You" (you like ambient? So, take a listen on how a conventional rock band with lots of quitar-effects but no synths can play ambient music...excellent second album by these guys)

The World On Higher Downs - "Land Patterns" (repeatetive minimalistic electronic soundscapes with a post-rock attitude. Great album)

Lights Out Asia - "Tanks and Recognizers" (both "Garmonia" and this one are excellent. Amazing album, beautiful electronics blend with some amazing quitars and lead-synths.)


Maybeshewill - "Not For Want Of Trying" (agressive quitar passages alternate with mournfull quitar passages, industial noises and broken radio monologues give their way to sweet romantic piano and glockenspiel, or white noise contrasting with beautiful melodies. This album just came out and it is worth it. For the more adventurous...).


The Evpatoria Report - "Golevka" (stellar post-rock. The epic quitars, the cosmic reverberated violins, the satellite transmissions, the crescendos...probably the best album i own until present day. Now they are soon coming with a second album...)


There are many more but start with these...if you don't already know them.

Last edited by PETRAN on May-03-2008 at 02:09