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Why are people still taking Mattsanity so seriously?

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whiskers
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there was never such thing called progressive trance. there's progressive and there's trance. Ive always wondered who the hell came up with progressive trance.



The listeners? What about progressive house? No such thing?


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Clovis
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Oh shut the fuck up you useless streak of week old piss.



Spot on.


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Paradox Lost
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattsanity
yes there is a such thing as progressive house but not progressive trance.


I would provide a response demonstrating the existence of Prog. Trance, but System J has done a fine job in detailing its nuances and cataloguing its progression in this thread, with the following excerpt being the most relevant to this discussion:

One of many discussions on Prog. Trance

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Originally a new style of trance that emerged in the mid-1990s which was more modern than the classic German style and different from the goa trance popular at the time. It was influenced by the British progressive house sound, specifically the short-lived epic house movement in 1995-96. Epic house is the bridge between old school prog house and prog trance. You can see this by tracking the sound of Sasha and Digweed in the mid-90s: they were playing Renaissance style prog-house in 92-94, in 95-96 it was epic house and afterwards it was progressive trance. People like BT, Quivver, Tilt and Blue Amazon who made their names in epic house also helped define progressive trance in the late 90s.

It sounded like a cross between classic German trance and mid-90s prog house. It was better produced and more melodic than classic trance, but shorter and less maximalist than epic house. The Platipus label are often credited with originating it.

At the turn of the millenium it became deeper, darker and less melodic: the Twilo sound epitomised by the likes of Breeder, Sander Kleinenberg and Tilt (and of course, Xpander and Heaven Scent). Then people started making it smoother and more twinkly: first Above & Beyond and then Markus Schulz and Andy Moor. It ceased to be much like it used to be and basically became a twinkly, moodier version of all the other trance around. That was about 2004. Since then it's been shit.

Of course, there are exceptions to this general development of sound. Underworld's Dark Train mix of Dark & Long, for example, was made in 1994 and yet was so far ahead of its time it was still in the box of every prog trance DJ at the end of the decade and beyond.


If you read on, you'll notice a point of contention between him and Ishkur, though they both acknowledge the existence of Prog. Trance, albeit defined along different lines.


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mellow tunes like james holden that emerged around 2001 and his overrated balance comps.


Yeah, I really think he made too many Balance mix comps for his own good.

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