So, the "New Paper" by Dr Judy Wood is the evidence that all the non-government aligned stories are dumb conspiracies? What a clever and logical decision ...

Who cares about Judy Wood? Besides, I am almost certain one of the regulars on this PDD forum created a new account for the sake of stirring this shit for the sakes of personal fullfillment ... how dumb. But its not going to fool me.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I am almost certain one of the regulars on this PDD forum created a new account for the sake of stirring this shit for the sakes of personal fullfillment ... how dumb. But its not going to fool me.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN 10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists A useful guide by Donna Ferentes 10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

Yeah, according to you we should always listen to the government version. Its always accurate. Governments typically dont lie and are honest as fuck.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yeah, according to you we should always listen to the government version. Its always accurate. Governments typically dont lie and are honest as fuck.

yeah, well according to you "The Government" is one big hive-mind with one goal and one voice, rather than thousands and thousands of individuals not that different from yourself. there were thousands and thousands of people investigating 9/11, but im sure we can write off all they had to say because they were employed directly or indirectly by "The Government" *cue spooky music*

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, well according to you "The Government" is one big hive-mind with one goal and one voice, rather than thousands and thousands of individuals not that different from yourself. there were thousands and thousands of people investigating 9/11, but im sure we can write off all they had to say because they were employed directly or indirectly by "The Government" *cue spooky music*

Look at the fucking Iraq. It wasnt one man who caused all that mess. Stop living in denial. Governments and politicians lie all the time ... its just some are better than others at hiding their tracks.

Governments dont come in 1's ... they dont have just one goal and are made of more than one person - thats why they are so powerful.

And I am not just talking about 9/11. There are many others where the government lied and made wrong decisions intentionally and with disregard to people resulting in many people's lives. You can kill a guy on the street and go to jail, while politicians in USA who indirectly murder innocent people or make dumb decisions resulting in their senseless/pointless deaths dont even get impeached. Fuck that shit.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium And I am not just talking about 9/11. There are many others where the government lied and made wrong decisions intentionally and with disregard to people resulting in many people's lives. You can kill a guy on the street and go to jail, while politicians in USA who indirectly murder innocent people or make dumb decisions resulting in their senseless/pointless deaths dont even get impeached. Fuck that shit.

and would you say we've caught them out in lies concerning WMD, or outing plame or secret prisons or prisoner abuses? why are they still getting away with 9/11?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and would you say we've caught them out in lies concerning WMD, or outing plame or secret prisons or prisoner abuses? why are they still getting away with 9/11?

Oh, WOW, we've told them they lied and allowed them to continue lying and continue the senseless killing and making more dumb decisions ... whats your point? what are you trying to get to? I am not falling into your trap, dont try it.

Face it - American government has committed heineous crimes which undoubtedly deserve impeachment ... I mean, seriously, Clinton almost got impeached for getting his cock sucked on the office, while killing innocent people and ruining countries isnt much of a crime. Give me a bloody break. Pkc, get a grip on yourself and dont bother defending the American government. "Conspiracy theorists" were always right about one thing - dont trust the government. Always take everything they do and say with heavy dose of scepticism. Disband that government system anyways and lets get on with some type of parliamentary system, something more civilized and more democratic instead of appointing a despot to ruin people and countries. Or whatever else to save the planet, humanity, and that same country.

You're living in the times of change, give it couple decades and then you'll see the massive devastation around the planet because of governments and their inability to make decisions that are best for everyone, not their backers or "inner circles"/

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Oh, WOW, we've told them they lied and allowed them to continue lying and continue the senseless killing and making more dumb decisions ... whats your point? what are you trying to get to? I am not falling into your trap, dont try it. Face it - American government has committed heineous crimes which undoubtedly deserve impeachment ... I mean, seriously, Clinton almost got impeached for getting his cock sucked on the office, while killing innocent people and ruining countries isnt much of a crime. Give me a bloody break. Pkc, get a grip on yourself and dont bother defending the American government. Conspiracy theorists got one thing right - dont trust the dam government. Disband that shit and lets get on with some type of parliamentary system. Or whatever else to save the planet, humanity, and that country.

Im not defending the shitty american government. I would just like the accusations levelled against them to reflect reality.

There are innumerable things that the government should be called to account regarding, but planting bombs in the WTCs or using their super evil beam weapons, isn't one of them. so let's concentrate on some of the issues you have correctly identified.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Im not defending the shitty american government. I would just like the accusations levelled against them to reflect reality. There are innumerable things that the government should be called to account regarding, but planting bombs in the WTCs or using their super evil beam weapons, isn't one of them. so let's concentrate on some of the issues you have correctly identified.

They got away with all the crimes so far. What kind of precedent and example is this setting, seriously?

There's absolutely nothing wrong or crazy with being a conspiracy theorist or scepticist. Its the other way around which is dangerous - ignorance and lies. Its not conspiracy theorists who hurt people, you know. Its the people they blame that do. And its all spun to make CT's look like fools to shift attention and blame. And that's productive?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN There are innumerable things that the government should be called to account regarding, but planting bombs in the WTCs or using their super evil beam weapons, isn't one of them. so let's concentrate on some of the issues you have correctly identified.

OK, I've concentrated once ... twice ... and? Oh wait - lets get CT's and common people to do all the dirty work and fix things that the governments fucked up. Like Al Gore preaches. How long do you have to be fooled to naively believe that things are doing great?

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Originally posted by Magnetonium They got away with all the crimes so far. What kind of precedent and example is this setting, seriously?

im not denying that, what im saying is that they were caught.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium There's absolutely nothing wrong or crazy with being a conspiracy theorist or scepticist.

haha. conspiracy theorists are anyting but sceptical. CTs embody asymmetrical scepticism (thank Q5).

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Its not conspiracy theorists who hurt people, you know. Its the people they blame that do. And its all spun to make CT's look like fools to shift attention and blame. And that's productive?

actually, 9/11 CTs do all kinds of things that hurt people. internet stalking, profiteering from catastrophe by selling dishonest mercendise, abusing public officials' children, accusing people of mass murder without any evidence, deliberately misrepresenting facts or evidence, misleading dozens of well-to-do people that don't know any better, attacking the scientific method, harassing anyone that disagrees with them.

no, they haven't blown anything up. yet. or maybe they have? the standard of proof for blowing up buildings seems to be incredibly low, so i may as well add "terrorist acts" to the list, i have as much evidence as they do.

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