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Originally posted by progressiveMOJO this deserves its own post If you think an opener isn't allowed to play a set that completely blows the headliner away there is something fundamentally wrong with your head and your conception of how this scene should work. If someone who has never been heard of is able to upstage a fucking INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED DJ then THEY HAD BETTER FUCKING DO IT IMMEDIATELY. Do you realize how giant a retard you are? Talent should rise to the top. If someone makes a name for themselves and then proceeds to blow ass while people around them are doing much better then they deserve to lose their recognition. Now I say this in full understanding (probably better than you) of what an opening DJ can and should do. An opener can and should blow people away musically, just hopefully in a slightly different way than the headliner, so they are in the groove and ready for the headliner to come out and do even better. The only thing an opening DJ in Houston has ever made me do is wish I had another drink so I wouldn't be this bored while I wait for the headliner. But that being said, if a HEADLINER, someone FAMOUS and supposedly good, can not rise to the challenge that their lowly unheard-of local opener presents to them: FUCK THEM. They deserve to go home that night knowing that they need to work harder.

First off, I am very sorry to have replied in such manner not knowing you were on your period. I should have known that when men start their cycle, they usually get forum-rage. My sincere apologies on that.

Ok. What makes you think that an opener outplaying a headliner would be the coolest thing ever? Obviously, if something like that were to occur, do you think that headliner's agency would want to book them back at that same venue, knowing that their crowd would rather enjoy the opener than the headliner? No. I don't think it works like that. They would lose money because the people would probably leave as soon as the headliner hops on stage. YOU FAILED.

the thing that makes me think it would be the coolest thing ever is that some of the best shows I've ever been to here in San Francisco, exactly that happened and it was the reason the night was so awesome.

you just need to have a crowd that likes good music more than they care about the name of the person playing it. which is something Houston hasn't had in years.

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Originally posted by progressiveMOJO the only thing wrong with Randall Jones is he never ever shows up when he's billed. Derek Howell is billed once a year maybe that I notice. And variety is the spice of life, and those 2 don't play every genre. This is like Stockholm Syndrome. You're all so used to embracing a shitty scene that you refuse to do anything to make it better.

Give us your daddy's bank account number and we might be able to make a few upgrades here in the Houston scene.

asshat. get outta town bro. I'm only making a suggestion, not trying to cause issues.

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Originally posted by progressiveMOJO the thing that makes me think it would be the coolest thing ever is that some of the best shows I've ever been to here in San Francisco, exactly that happened and it was the reason the night was so awesome. you just need to have a crowd that likes good music more than they care about the name of the person playing it. which is something Houston hasn't had in years.

I agree. And the same probably happens in Ibiza, Oslo, Prague, etc. But when your city closes down one of THE BEST renowned clubs ever (i.e. Hyperia, Sky Bar), people tend to shift ways and part from the scene...people like the one's you are talking about in San Francisco. So really, blame it on the mayor.

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Originally posted by progressiveMOJO Do you realize how giant a retard you are? Talent should rise to the top. If someone makes a name for themselves and then proceeds to blow ass while people around them are doing much better then they deserve to lose their recognition.

Talent DOES rise to the top. You're right. Isn't that how most dj's acquire their name? They open up a few shows, enjoy the scene so much they go out and build their own studio, they progress and whether it takes 1 year or 15 years, it is possible their name is signed onto major record labels. Really, it's a cycle, because then the younger kids start doing the same.

I've honestly never heard of a producer who doesn't know the scene at all and just happened to go to Guitar Center, pick up a keyboard, make a few sounds and get signed on a deal. If so, please name one, because i will seriously fall out of my office window right now.

there is nothing wrong with wanting to see A&B but i do agree with progressiveMOJO 110%. you nailed it down to the millimeter man.

i also find it really bizarre if anybody is fine with the scene in houston.

I LOVE ABOVE & BEYOND!!!

Carry on...

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Originally posted by progressiveMOJO I don't give a shit if A&B come to Houston or not because I won't be seeing them either way. It just amazes me that people still like them when their music is the epitome of generic and hasn't changed its sound whatsoever in a decade. So if this is a thread to ask for what we want, that's what I'm doing. As for venue...Clarks & Deans has been host to some great shows in the past. Rich's just needs a sound system upgrade. Houston does suck in the venue regard, hence it being #1 on my list of complaints you r-tard. But I'm not the person choosing to hold events at the worst places possible, like Meridian and Bar Rio. How am I the one who's behind the times when you're the ones who still like it best when Markus plays 2 hours straight of his own productions, or think A&B is in any way fresh or relevant? Get a fucking life, trance hasn't done anything interesting or imaginative in about 10 years (which is sad because it used to be a dynamic and evolving genre) and it is time for you to move on to new and creative sounds. Good as in whoever the fuck can play a decent set that warms the crowd up and not just a bunch of tunes they sort of like that pander to the style of the person they're opening for. Which is apparently something nobody can find in a city of 6 million people.

Um, rebuttal to two points here.

There are quite a few new trance artists that are taking the 'trance sound' to a new level, incorporating aspects of other genres and creating a uniquely new sound (Gareth Emery, Martin Roth, Alex Bartlett, First State, Boy Hagerman, Thomas Datt-his newer stuff, Eddie Sender, etc.). So, to say trance hasn't done anything imaginative is just plain ignorant and asinine. It may not be interesting to you. But to be plain, the type of music you prefer and have showcased on your sets posted bores me to suicide by ice pick to the head.

Markus Schulz may have only showcased his own productions for two hours at the show in Houston only because elitist asshats like you show up and don't truly support and get into the moment (He intentionally does that when the crowd sucks and acts in such a manner). He played in Dallas for three and half hours and played his own productions Daydream, Perfect, and Sla9 only and had the crowd (a very intuitive, musically educated crowd I might add) on their feet and moving the entire night (no drugs or assembly required).

I'll be honest. The last time I saw A&B, we left about half way through the set. They do need to step it up in terms of production lately. But to encapsulate an entire genre, especially new artist, into a broad statement as such only tells me that you need to get out of the Minimal section on Beatport and become more globally educated about EDM in its entirety. Or, quit making stupid fucking arguments that make you an easy target for ridicule.

Cheers

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Originally posted by ksu1212 i also find it really bizarre if anybody is fine with the scene in houston.

People that have been in the scene alot longer than the "newbies" would probably agree that the scene in Houston could be a lot better. I totally agree with that. The scene here sucks compared to other cities and countries. I guess Houston's just one of those cities that died down after it's peak years. That, or we'll be getting better in the future.

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Originally posted by architect1803 I've honestly never heard of a producer who doesn't know the scene at all and just happened to go to Guitar Center, pick up a keyboard, make a few sounds and get signed on a deal. If so, please name one, because i will seriously fall out of my office window right now.

DJ Sammy

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Originally posted by jonas DJ Sammy

I bet you'd want a video of me falling out that window too, eh?



But yea, you're right. And this guy too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ov0YMMc3nY