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Originally posted by RJT I don't care if it's the hippest hipster on the planet making the most awesome underground music I've ever heard, credit your samples, and don't play live if you aren't doing actually doing anything.

especially if you're going to use that fucking much of it

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Originally posted by RJT Did you really just miss the point by that much?

Obviously. I see what everyone's issues are, I just don't really care. While I personally don't agree with not crediting samples, I don't think the project was ever intended to be anything more than Martin & Edwards rehashing their favorites pulled from their extensive music collections, and shared with any audience that might like something different. When I saw them Matt DJ'd quiet village tracks and other similar music while Joel did visuals (he used to be a film editor). The show is not meant to be a "revolutionary" music performance or true live act, it's meant to be more of a presentation.

If anyone on TA, according to Martin & Edwards, actually saw a true representation of what their "live show" is supposed to be about, it was idoru. They said the seattle show had the best visual setup of all, and they were able to play the album tracks as intended with the accompanying visuals.

In any case, sampling issue aside (because thats def something I don't agree with), you could debate the merits of such a "live show" all day, but I don't think this is currently the biggest musical atrocity being commited, nor do I think a lot of what people pass off as "live shows" really are anything close to live. I'd argue that Daft Punk's pyramid and laser infested light show spectacle here in LA was pretty much the biggest joke of all time given that they stopped the music 5 times in an hour and a half (while using LAPTOPS) and pretty much just pressed play on the latest mashups of their tunes they had completed along with some filtering and light up suits.

I'll take a quiet village show with interesting visuals and fresh music I don't hear much anywhere else over half of the minimal jock's uc33-e + ableton "live" shows currently on the circuit.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

I think if it wasn't Radio Slave (if it were, oh I don't know... say, Deadmau5), you'd care a whole lot more.

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Originally posted by RJT I think if it wasn't Radio Slave (if it were, oh I don't know... say, Deadmau5), you'd care a whole lot more.

Probably, but thats because I know where their intentions lie. The reason it is Radio Slave & Joel Martin doing this and not some muppet I could take issue with is aptly highlighted by this recent Sean Tyas interview quote:

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What music do you listen to in your spare time apart from trance? Whatever music happens to be playing in the background of video games.

Joel & Matt have tangible musical knowledge and taste that I can relate to, if Sean Tyas were to sample old 70's funk and pass it off as his own, we'd know something was seriously fucking amiss.

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Originally posted by Clovis Probably, but thats because I know where their intentions lie. The reason it is Radio Slave & Joel Martin doing this and not some muppet I could take issue with is aptly highlighted by this recent Sean Tyas interview quote: Joel & Matt have tangible musical knowledge and taste that I can relate to, if Sean Tyas were to sample old 70's funk and pass it off as his own, we'd know something was seriously fucking amiss.

What a load of shit. It doesn't matter if you substitute Deadmau5 or Danger Mouse, Armin or Art Bleek, or Garnier for Guetta - the same standards apply, and you have no right to decide what anyone's intentions are.

You're letting them off the hook because you like them - let's just call a spade a spade and be done with it.

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Originally posted by RJT You're letting them off the hook because you like them - let's just call a spade a spade and be done with it.

Yeah, I don't think I ever said otherwise. And I reserve the right to continue thinking pretty much anything deadmousse touches is shit because I dislike his taste.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

I guess I'll just never understand your sympathies for Radio Slave, and why you praise him for the same thing you pan others for.

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Originally posted by RJT I guess I'll just never understand your sympathies for Radio Slave, and why you praise him for the same thing you pan others for.

I think it was explained pretty well here.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

fair enough clovis, but what i have issue with is that they're going around touring with this shit, calling it their first full-length album, and all they are doing (according to their website) is "making the old sound new".


i like the 'album'

but why not just call it a compilation? that's the marketing aspect i just dont agree with


ps i already changed the ID in my tracklist for 'solstice' to:

Andreas Vollenwieder - Steam Forest (Quiet Village Edit) lol

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Originally posted by Clovis I think it was explained pretty well here.

That you think you know his intentions so that makes it OK?



Unless I'm missing something, it really just seems like if you like it, all is forgiven, but if you don't, any little issue is fair game, and fuck whoever made it because they suck and their only motivation is money.

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Originally posted by nefardec fair enough clovis, but what i have issue with is that they're going around touring with this shit, calling it their first full-length album, and all they are doing (according to their website) is "making the old sound new". i like the 'album' but why not just call it a compilation? that's the marketing aspect i just dont agree with ps i already changed the ID in my tracklist for 'solstice' to: Andreas Vollenwieder - Steam Forest (Quiet Village Edit) lol

Yeah I don't like the marketing write up on their myspace either. I think they should credit the samples used and the original artists as well. I haven't seen the CD itself yet either.

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Originally posted by RJT Unless I'm missing something, it really just seems like if you like it, all is forgiven, but if you don't, any little issue is fair game, and fuck whoever made it because they suck and their only motivation is money.

It's a bit more nuanced than that, given my multitude of nuances.

I can't really explain my own brain better though, so we'll have to leave it at this.

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