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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I am sorry, but you are flat out wrong. The problem is not that we need to teach a value in education. Society shows there isn't much value for the education itself outside of engineers and the medical profession. The statistics are so high for people NEVER using the degree that they worked their ass off for, it is insane. There are way too many people that have degrees that skated by doing the bare minimum. Barely doing shit to attain that degree, and paying people off to do their work. There are far worse things in our education system than "making" an apathetic student learn. You can't force someone to learn. No matter who the fuck you are. This is not good. There are some people that are fucking great at the work, but suck at tests. Unfortunately tests are a massive part of each persons grade. Tests don't really prove much. They prove you can cram if you are a fucking jackass that cares not about the education, or that you are good at taking tests and half-assed remembering information. I am a fucking sponge with information, as long as it is not cramming. I can NOT cram, nor do any sort of hardcore studying in a short time. I failed ALL the tests I did that for. You have to consider other things when rewarding them with academic scholarships.

I just always assumed the prototypes who "aren't good test takers" were bullshitters who paid a bill for someone to complete their bio labs.

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Originally posted by Boomer187 I think schools should not have to depend on tuition so much to pay their bills. Then they can be picky with who they select plus they can fail a few more people and still keep the lights on.

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Originally posted by Bulgatti I just always assumed the prototypes who "aren't good test takers" were bullshitters who paid a bill for someone to complete their bio labs.

Nah, I have known a few people that are just horrendous test takers. They really do fantastic at the work, know and fully understand the concepts, but the whole "gotta do this whole thing in this amount of time" fucks them up. I don't get it, as I am not that way, but they just are.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Nah, I have known a few people that are just horrendous test takers. They really do fantastic at the work, know and fully understand the concepts, but the whole "gotta do this whole thing in this amount of time" fucks them up. I don't get it, as I am not that way, but they just are.

I'm the opposite. Suck at the work, ace all the tests.

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Originally posted by Project-K I'm the opposite. Suck at the work, ace all the tests.

lol I had a math class that I did NO work in. At the semester I had a B-.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

We need to go back to the idea that college education is a privilege for people smart and hard-working enough to deserve it, not a "right" that any old lazy idiot can claim, and stop the practices of grade-inflation and keeping people in school for the sake of their self-esteem.

Once the slow and the shiftless are kicked out of the schools or barred from entering them, the number of graduates will shrink, and college degrees will go back to being valued more highly, being a rarer commodity and more indicative of real intellectual distinction.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles We need to go back to the idea that college education is a privilege for people smart and hard-working enough to deserve it, not a "right" that any old lazy idiot can claim, and stop the practices of grade-inflation and keeping people in school for the sake of their self-esteem. Once the slow and the shiftless are kicked out of the schools or barred from entering them, the number of graduates will shrink, and college degrees will go back to being valued more highly, being a rarer commodity and more indicative of real intellectual distinction.

+1 on that. Something that has eroded the value of the college education. Fucks people like you and I over. I am going to start school soon, and I want the best I can get for my money.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I am sorry, but you are flat out wrong. The problem is not that we need to teach a value in education. Society shows there isn't much value for the education itself outside of engineers and the medical profession. The statistics are so high for people NEVER using the degree that they worked their ass off for, it is insane. There are way too many people that have degrees that skated by doing the bare minimum. Barely doing shit to attain that degree, and paying people off to do their work. There are far worse things in our education system than "making" an apathetic student learn. You can't force someone to learn. No matter who the fuck you are.

Sure a lot of people don't use their degrees or most of the stuff they learn before college. It's also sadly true that in most cases society doesn't value it enough. But it does open doors, which is valuable in itself -- working hard can get you a potentially useless degree, but your the intelligence and ability to work hard that got you the degree are a much greater asset when you graduate

And even though some people might get by without doing much, a strong work ethic is always valuable if you know what to do with it. I'd bet that most successful people have a deeply ingrained work ethic that probably came from their upbringing, and hence their parents, and probably took root in their school years (though there are exceptions - a lot of geniuses were completely bored and apathetic throughout school)

Also, of course there are bigger problems in the quality of the education system in general, but insofar as as the education system is a means for producing people of value to society, surely harder working students would be able to get more out of a broken system.

This all has the risk of sounding like bullshit since it's not really something that can be addressed -- you can't dictate students' work ethic or their parents' parenting. But suppose all parents taught their kids to hard work and do well in school -- I think all the things legislators are throwing money at, like raising test scores, increasing graduation rates,etc, would improve a lot -- but my impression is that parents don't do enough.

I don't pretend to know the answer and I certainly can't know what it's like to be a parent. But that's just my .02, as someone who is glad his parents taught him to work hard

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel So I was talking with Tricia about this today and it is a subject that, in my opinion, needs to be addressed in our society. How can we make our collegiate system better to make it more relevant to society in general? I personally find that it should be harder to get into all schools, as things such as affirmative action that, while they were discontinued some years ago, have fucked us badly. We have race based qualifications in an effort to "diversify" the collegiate populace, yet it has not appeared to make the minorities any more or less likely to go to school. We have higher enrollment rates by them, but this is due to the cost being relatively low compared to what is achievable after your education is complete. Discuss.

I am brown and that didnt help me get into college

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Originally posted by tachobg Sure a lot of people don't use their degrees or most of the stuff they learn before college. It's also sadly true that in most cases society doesn't value it enough. But it does open doors, which is valuable in itself -- working hard can get you a potentially useless degree, but your the intelligence and ability to work hard that got you the degree are a much greater asset when you graduate And even though some people might get by without doing much, a strong work ethic is always valuable if you know what to do with it. I'd bet that most successful people have a deeply ingrained work ethic that probably came from their upbringing, and hence their parents, and probably took root in their school years (though there are exceptions - a lot of geniuses were completely bored and apathetic throughout school) Also, of course there are bigger problems in the quality of the education system in general, but insofar as as the education system is a means for producing people of value to society, surely harder working students would be able to get more out of a broken system. This all has the risk of sounding like bullshit since it's not really something that can be addressed -- you can't dictate students' work ethic or their parents' parenting. But suppose all parents taught their kids to hard work and do well in school -- I think all the things legislators are throwing money at, like raising test scores, increasing graduation rates,etc, would improve a lot -- but my impression is that parents don't do enough. I don't pretend to know the answer and I certainly can't know what it's like to be a parent. But that's just my .02, as someone who is glad his parents taught him to work hard

The reason a larger portion don't use their degrees is because the value of them is practically gone. There was a thread on TA about the Bachelors degree being the new high school diploma. This is part of the reason.

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Originally posted by nchs09 I am brown and that didnt help me get into college

While it doesn't help all, the schools that are less diverse, will admit black, latino, etc students that don't fulfill the usual requirements. This has been talked about a lot. I personally think that face to face interviews should be avoided. It brings in to much potential for race based acceptance. Although I am sure you can tell what race someone is with a name like Lafawnduh or Tyrone or Tyrese or Shanequah.

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Originally posted by bas Dual exhaust tips on dual exhaust = QUAD EXHAUST = 300 gain in horsepower. Duh

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Originally posted by bas Undies with a dickhole aren't good for guys. Your balls can get caught in them. That's why I prefer to go over the gate instead of through the fence.