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MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.



Hearing chants, especially European church-music type chants, work well in electronic music is pretty rare in my experience.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07
What about Enya? She's similar right.


Not really, no.

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Bulgatti
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I do love most of The Cross of Changes. The bit in I Love You, I'll Kill You where it changes gear makes the hairs on my neck stand up, every time. Shame that by the end of the album it's dissolved into daft "Man is the dream of the dolphin" bullshit. I always get a come-down feeling with that album. For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.


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PETRAN
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well, yeah. Grabbing a load of disembodied instruments and samples and throwing them together in the hope that the listener will glaze over and think of exotic places is a pretty cheesy formula. World-beat is the stuff white, middle-class new age people listen to while lighting incense and doing yoga. My mother listens to Enigma.



Lol.



"I'll Love You, I'll Kill You" is indeed a great tune though!


Unfortunately as everyone said, they have some extremely cheesy moments.


If you like this type of new-agey/world-beat thing, don't forget to give a listen to Amethystium, a young musician from Norway. He definitely uses some (if not all) of the cliches with the ethnic sample sand the chanting, but his melodies are amazing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhy...feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erjAzA753sg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPkT5h-lDw




And what does anyone think of the last Enigma album "A Posteriori"? It was more electronic but a bit flat as well.

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Heh, I do love them for the most part.
They're the first band I started listening to at rather early age (like 4-5 years old) and still listen to.

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nefardec
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The good Enigma stuff is very convincing, but the rest of the time it sounds like the fake, coffee-table spirituality, insulting ethnic crap it actually is. Much like most world-beat.



i absolutely love your distaste for 'coffee-table exotica' lol



also in the borderline cheese new age spirtuality camp is andreas vollenwieder


my mom raised me listening to this stuff and its had a huge influence on me to this day

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P:T:X
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Enigma got me into electronica...so how could I not show my appreciation

The first four albums did it for me!


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Very appreciated. Sadness is my favorite track.


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Cobalt
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I do love most of The Cross of Changes. The bit in I Love You, I'll Kill You where it changes gear makes the hairs on my neck stand up, every time. Shame that by the end of the album it's dissolved into daft "Man is the dream of the dolphin" bullshit. I always get a come-down feeling with that album. For the first five or six tracks you really get into it, then as the album gets more and more stupid you come down from your "chants are fucking epic" high and have a horrible feeling of shame over what you're listening to.

Exactly my sentiment. MCMXC made such an impression on my young ears that I even bought Cretu's third and fourth albums before giving up hope.

It's agonizing to hear such a loved musician pulling from one tired bag of tricks, each grab greatly diminished from the one before. Oddly enough, this is also how I feel about Enya and Paul van Dyk.

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SYSTEM-J
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Exactly my sentiment. MCMXC made such an impression on my young ears that I even bought Cretu's third and fourth albums before giving up hope.

It's agonizing to hear such a loved musician pulling from one tired bag of tricks, each grab greatly diminished from the one before. Oddly enough, this is also how I feel about Enya and Paul van Dyk.


Did you ever hear the Enigmatic Club Mix of Age of Loneliness? It's a fantastic piece of progressive house. Cretu could have been a brilliant producer of true dance music if he'd wanted to.


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Cobalt
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Did you ever hear the Enigmatic Club Mix of Age of Loneliness? It's a fantastic piece of progressive house. Cretu could have been a brilliant producer of true dance music if he'd wanted to.

That mix was one of my earliest exposures to electronic dance music, actually. I usually say Way Out West - Ajare was my first, partly in service to nostalgia, but the Age of Loneliness remix predated it a bit, now that I think about it.

These days I prefer the dancier parts of MCMXC A.D.; the Age of Loneliness remix has a bit strong a generic 90s rave-trance-dance whiff. But I have sometimes wondered what might have happened if Cretu took the trance plunge rather than peddling New Age pop. The idea of a bunch of tracks like Orbit's remix of Morgan King - I'm Free, only with exotic chants, sounds potentially cool.

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nefardec
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quote:
Originally posted by mphreak
Very appreciated. Sadness is my favorite track.



note that it's actually sadeness, not sadness


it's about the marquis de sade

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