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Originally posted by RJT Is it OK for you then when people do it but don't admit that they do? I'd wager it happens more often than not.

I'm sure it does, and I probably do play some those tracks. But I just try to find music in general from people I think are trying interesting things. The thing is to, maybe certain tracks reuse elements, but when you're talking about a main melody or bassline, something that is really the nest of the track, it makes a big difference imo.

This relates to a funny story by a buddy of mine telling me about asking Troy Pierce how he made some part of one of his track, and Pierce basically saying "I can't tell you, it's a secret". My friend then went home that weekend, opened up his production software, found the preset, and basically remade the track, and then played it in front of Troy at house party.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by RJT Yeah, I don't know much about Aber beyond having a handful of his tunes - but this comparison did remind me of countless other comparisons from the "tracks that sound like other tracks" thread, which made me wonder whether or not this was legitimately plagiarism, or just what is, and always will be the case in electronic music.

In Looking in God's eyes you can clearly listen to the Trentemoller's work: the piano and some layer chords.

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Originally posted by elFreak well he certainly is no Aril Brikha

Thank you, Captain O!

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Originally posted by Clovis I'm sure it does, and I probably do play some those tracks. But I just try to find music in general from people I think are trying interesting things. The thing is to, maybe certain tracks reuse elements, but when you're talking about a main melody or bassline, something that is really the nest of the track, it makes a big difference imo. This relates to a funny story by a buddy of mine telling me about asking Troy Pierce how he made some part of one of his track, and Pierce basically saying "I can't tell you, it's a secret". My friend then went home that weekend, opened up his production software, found the preset, and basically remade the track, and then played it in front of Troy at house party.

I know you do, Clovis - I'm definitely not accusing you of playing bog-standard music. I just think that no matter how hard you dig, maybe 1 in 10, or 1 in 20 records stands out to me as something pretty original - and even then I often find myself surprised months later to find another track from years earlier that either does the same thing, or does something very, very similar and better.

If every producer who's ever been ripped off starts defaulting to the court of public opinion, we might as well just close the internet for business now. The line between influence and plagiarism just seems to be very fine at times.

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I guess if you suck as much as Shlomi Aber, people aren't gonna have as much sympathy for you recycling something thats been done before.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis I guess if you suck as much as Shlomi Aber, people aren't gonna have as much sympathy for you recycling something thats been done before.

can guy j be next? plz plz plz plz plz.

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Originally posted by Clovis I guess if you suck as much as Shlomi Aber, people aren't gonna have as much sympathy for you recycling something thats been done before.

Indeed, though I still don't like the notion of double standards like that.

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Originally posted by RJT To be honest, I can't remember the last time I heard a track I thought was truly "original" in the world of dance music. That doesn't mean I haven't heard loads of good music over the years, but originality in general seems to be absent from much of EDM.

True.

IMO most pop music (and I include almost all dance music under the broad heading of "pop") is less about originality than about using whatever "works," which means looking for the quickest and simplest route to get people dancing or feeling the intended emotions (e.g. in "uplifting" trance). And if that means re-using a certain rhythm from yesterday's hit, a bassline, part or whole of a melody, or even just lifting out an entire chunk from someone else's track and using it in your own, then so be it. This music is made for having fun, as part of the array of ephemeral pleasures experienced in a night out -- not for being exhaustively analyzed on a formal level, assessed with regard to relations to predecessors, or set up alongside venerated composers in the history books. So it makes sense that a lot of its producers would have few worries about whether they're being all that original -- that's just not their goal in many cases, or at least not their main one.

lol.

really not that similar imo. and there are far worse examples.

I also would like to point out there is very little originality in most music not just edm.

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I also think this kind of "he said, she said" bickering is only really going to serve to make both parties look bad, but perhaps worse for Brikha than Aber.

There's a reason people respect those who take the high road, and unfortunately if it does in fact come down to most people saying "Well, that's great - but it's really no different, or worse, than countless other examples", then what was the point in opening your mouth in the first place?

It isn't as if he's going to win an international intellectual property battle and be paid boatloads of money - hell, I don't think there's any way Brikha could manage to stop Efrat from being distributed.

I don't know - I love Aril Brikha, and just wish in general he'd taken the high road rather than putting this out there for people like us to sit and dissect.

No one was ever going to say "Hey, you know that Shlomi Aber - 'Efrat' track? Yeah, that's a WAY better version of a crappy old Aril Brikha tune."

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles True. IMO most pop music (and I include almost all dance music under the broad heading of "pop") is less about originality than about using whatever "works," which means looking for the quickest and simplest route to get people dancing or feeling the intended emotions (e.g. in "uplifting" trance). And if that means re-using a certain rhythm from yesterday's hit, a bassline, part or whole of a melody, or even just lifting out an entire chunk from someone else's track and using it in your own, then so be it. This music is made for having fun, as part of the array of ephemeral pleasures experienced in a night out -- not for being exhaustively analyzed on a formal level, assessed with regard to relations to predecessors, or set up alongside venerated composers in the history books. So it makes sense that a lot of its producers would have few worries about whether they're being all that original -- that's just not their goal in many cases, or at least not their main one.

+1

I think that in most cases when dance music producers think they're doing something very original, they're either not particularly well-informed (not knowing much about the history of dance music or music generally) or they're splitting hairs (carving out a domain of "originality" by doing something just mildly different).

Anyway, I think there's something to be said for the notion that originality shouldn't be the main yard stick by which to judge music-makers.

A few people think that an overemphasis on originality is what led the classical tradition to produce what most people think of as unlistenable crap in the form of modernist atonal music:

http://www.classicalarchives.com/ar...edwards036.html
http://www.classicalarchives.com/ar...edwards037.html
http://www.classicalarchives.com/ar...edwards040.html

Interesting reads, if you have the time and an interest in music history.

On the other hand, I too get frustrated at the number of idiots out there who are outright plagiarizing other people's work.