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Originally posted by Q5echo if he won't do it Lincoln/Douglas style with Clinton he sure as hell won't step up to McCain. sad really.

I'de like a Lincoln/Douglas debate, but you don't know what you're talking about when you say he can't handle anything without a script or "compliant interviewer".

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From today's LA Times: "In May, when a McCain adviser proposed a series of pre-convention appearances at town hall meetings, Obama said, "I think that's a great idea." In summer stumping on the campaign trail, McCain has often noted that Obama had not followed through and joined him in any events. Obama said then: "Obviously, we would have to think through the logistics on that, but ... if I have the opportunity to debate substantive issues before the voters with John McCain, that's something that I am going to welcome." Have you seen the mumbling and stumbling in regular interviews when he gets asked questions he's not prepared for? It's downright hilarious... he drifts off on tangent after tanget searching for a thought that makes sense. He's too much of a pussy to do it without an ear piece and pre-programed questions.

From the AP

"Obama's reversal on town hall debates is part of a play-it-safe strategy he's adopted since claiming the nomination and grabbing a lead in national polls. Advisers to the Illinois senator, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss strategy, say Obama is reluctant to take chances or give McCain a high-profile stage now that Obama's the front-runner.

Asked by The Associated Press if that meant Obama would not agree to any other debates, Psaki said, "We're not saying that." She said the McCain campaign had rejected Obama's proposal for two joint town hall meetings."

It seems like Obama's advisers are pretty damn good at what they. You McCainites wish Obama would give McCain the light of day. If I was the front runner, I'de tell McCain to fck off. I say let the McCain campaign continue its gaffs and dirty politics. They are no doubt, catering to their hardlin Republican base, which has shrunk substantially the past 4 years. They are their worst enemy, not Obama.

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Originally posted by Krypton you don't know what you're talking about when you say he can't handle anything without a script or "compliant interviewer".

"Barack Obama’s campaign made its distaste for free-style debates more or less official yesterday in their letter to the Commission on Presidential Debates. Team Obama only will agree to three debates, which has been the tradition through the last several presidential cycles, and all of them in the standard moderated format. He will not accept McCain’s challenge to meet him in a format where voters can ask the questions:

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Obama’s campaign released a letter this afternoon from campaign manager David Plouffe to the Commission on Presidential Debates only agreeing to the traditional three sanctioned fall debates and single vice presidential forum

"The McCain campaign responded with a dose of sarcasm:

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“We understand it might be beneath a worldwide celebrity of Barack Obama’s magnitude to appear at town hall meetings alongside John McCain and directly answer questions from the American people, but we hope he’ll reconsider.”

This news will surprise no one that has followed the number of gaffes Obama makes when speaking off the cuff. When the press finally got embarrassed by their fawning attitude and asked him tough questions in the Pennsylvania debate, Obama folded like a cheap suit against Hillary — and immediately stopped appearing in debates. He has provided an almost endless series of gaffes when speaking extemporaneously, and obviously wants no part of McCain in this format.
Either way, McCain can use this response to his advantage. He can continue appearing in town-hall forums and openly question why Obama lacks the courage to join him. In the traditional presidential debates, McCain can remind the national audience that Obama needed to hide behind the skirts of the media moderators rather than face voter questions directly. It’s a bonus for McCain in that sense, although he would have preferred getting Obama into his preferred format and watching him get exposed for the inexperienced naïf that Obama clearly is."


I guess "anytime, anywhere" doesn't really mean what it sounds like. This isn't the Obama I thought I knew (to paraphrase what he says about everyone that he's associated with who turns out to make him look bad). Dude, I can only imagine how you're going to react if McCain wins the presidency.

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Originally posted by The17sss I guess "anytime, anywhere" doesn't really mean what it sounds like. This isn't the Obama I thought I knew (to paraphrase what he says about everyone that he's associated with who turns out to make him look bad). Dude, I can only imagine how you're going to react if McCain wins the presidency.

I've said my piece..

If McCain wins, I'm packing up and moving to Canada/Australia..

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Originally posted by Krypton I've said my piece.. If McCain wins, I'm packing up and moving to Canada/Australia..

Get your degree from UT first, it's a good school .

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Originally posted by Krypton From the AP "Obama's reversal on town hall debates is part of a play-it-safe strategy he's adopted since claiming the nomination and grabbing a lead in national polls. Advisers to the Illinois senator, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss strategy, say Obama is reluctant to take chances or give McCain a high-profile stage now that Obama's the front-runner. Asked by The Associated Press if that meant Obama would not agree to any other debates, Psaki said, "We're not saying that." She said the McCain campaign had rejected Obama's proposal for two joint town hall meetings." It seems like Obama's advisers are pretty damn good at what they. You McCainites wish Obama would give McCain the light of day. If I was the front runner, I'de tell McCain to fck off. I say let the McCain campaign continue its gaffs and dirty politics. They are no doubt, catering to their hardlin Republican base, which has shrunk substantially the past 4 years. They are their worst enemy, not Obama.

Okay... This is not news It just reinforces what I said in my other post. HE IS PLAYING IT SAFE! It just tells you about his character... Why the hell would you vote for a candidate that wont even take the stage (Lincoln/Douglas debate) so the American people can have a glimpse of what he is all about. I surely dont want a president with this kind of attitude. That is arrogant from his part and a lack of character. Trust me, anyone that is committed and would engage in this type of debate ill have some respect towards them. Because it atleast tells you that they have the courage and are not afraid to plant their ideas to the American people, without being worried about the results of the polls the next day.

A true leader knows how to take risks and not play it safe all the time. Even Hillary was willing to participate in this type of debate, without playing the "We're not saying that" game. I am no Hillary fan, but that type of attitude is what made me have some respect towards her.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by Krypton I've said my piece.. If McCain wins, I'm packing up and moving to Canada/Australia..

good lord man, why?

thats assuming they'd take your glowstick twirling, no-job-having, unskilled ass. if youre afraid of another war, what makes you think Canada and Australia wouldn't do what they've done in the past? otherwise, wtf would be the point?

Presidents come and go. stick with fund managing (you seem to enjoy and take pride in it). stay in America. make some cheese. marry a young Mexican girl and poop out some kids.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Okay... This is not news It just reinforces what I said in my other post. HE IS PLAYING IT SAFE! It just tells you about his character... Why the hell would you vote for a candidate that wont even take the stage (Lincoln/Douglas debate) so the American people can have a glimpse of what he is all about. I surely dont want a president with this kind of attitude. That is arrogant from his part and a lack of character. Trust me, anyone that is committed and would engage in this type of debate ill have some respect towards them. Because it atleast tells you that they have the courage and are not afraid to plant their ideas to the American people, without being worried about the results of the polls the next day. A true leader knows how to take risks and not play it safe all the time. Even Hillary was willing to participate in this type of debate, without playing the "We're not saying that" game. I am no Hillary fan, but that type of attitude is what made me have some respect towards her.

I respectfully disagree..

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Originally posted by Q5echo good lord man, why?

I was being sarcastic.. But when I do make money, I plan on buying a second home abroad, in case the much feared police state becomes a reality.

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thats assuming they'd take your glowstick twirling, no-job-having, unskilled ass. if youre afraid of another war, what makes you think Canada and Australia wouldn't do what they've done in the past? otherwise, wtf would be the point?

I can get paid $500/night for spinning fire SON, so don't be hating. You know I'm on summer vacation, and that I'm very skilled..

Again, I was being sarcastic when I said I'm moving abroad if McCain wins. But I consider Canada and Australia to be much more laid back places to live. They aren't going around the world looking for enemies...

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Presidents come and go. stick with fund managing (you seem to enjoy and take pride in it). stay in America. make some cheese. marry a young Mexican girl and poop out some kids.

HAHA

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Originally posted by Q5echo what makes you think Canada and Australia wouldn't do what they've done in the past?

a change of government.

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Krypton,

No wonder you need places like Canada, so the government can take care of you. That just demonstrates to us the type of socilialist life you so much want. Might as well try moving to Cuba or Venezuela Sorry that America dissapoints you, I mean I can't blame it... If glowsticking is the only way for you to demonstrate your skills and be compensated for it.

Please, no one is hating. Just accept the facts as they are.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Krypton, No wonder you need places like Canada, so the government can take care of you. That just demonstrates to us the type of socilialist life you so much want. Might as well try moving to Cuba or Venezuela Sorry that America dissapoints you, I mean I can't blame it... If glowsticking is the only way for you to demonstrate your skills and be compensated for it. Please, no one is hating. Just accept the facts as they are.

canada and australia have nothing to do with socialism.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Krypton, No wonder you need places like Canada, so the government can take care of you. That just demonstrates to us the type of socilialist life you so much want. Might as well try moving to Cuba or Venezuela Sorry that America dissapoints you, I mean I can't blame it... Please, no one is hating. Just accept the facts as they are.

LOL.. What's a socilialist? Is that new?

I want my tax dollars spent here at home, not in shtholes like Iraq. If you want to call that socialist, then you're a IDIOT..

You perfectly fit several characteristics of right-wing authoritarian followers..

1. Acceptance of inequality.
2. Submissive of authority.
3. Trust untrustworthy authorities.
4. Narrow-minded.
5. Dogmatic.
6. Hypocritical.
7. Highly self-righteous.
8. Little self-awareness.
9. Usually politically and economically conservative/Republican

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If glowsticking is the only way for you to demonstrate your skills and be compensated for it.

*golf clap*

Get a life dude..

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