Yeah i've bought the TAU2
can get some pretty sick sounds with that one

i.e. in Cubase 4 load 3 instrument instances with TAU and detune them from eachother vary the filter a bit between each instance and you will get MEGA BIG lead sounds, run this through for example Ohmboys or Camelspace and you will have instant gratification with as you mentioned nearly no effort.

But i think that's yhe whole thingy with VSTi's anyway, you need to start tweaking and layering to make moste VSTi's interesting together with some good effects. There not as "Out of the box" ready to be used as HW synths.

I learned synths first, before I had reason I had a microkorg. As a result if I hear a sound that I like however long it takes I can replicate the sound, but along the way I find that I make a sound i was not expecting and end up using this instead. Also by messing and messing and messing you find out what everything does and then incorperate this into your next sound.

For instance did you know that reasons subtractor makes a wicked tb303 emulation because i only found out through messing about.

My advice is sit at your synth playing more than one note as the harmonics can change drastically from note to note. Program your arse off because maybe your software z3ta which i like btw as do many people who can program it cant make a virus lead but it can make some crazy sounds and with processing they can sound nice.

Or failing that get nexus!

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Great info everyone.

And no I didn't take offense nor did I want to offend anyone in return. I just didn't want to get in a neverending debate about softsynths vs hardsynths.

I do like Massive and FM8. I like a lot of softsynths actually.
My problem is when I'm layering, programming or doing anything to make a new hot sounds it ALWAYS feels and sounds like I'm addressing the surface of the sound and not the core.

So I'll wind up with some beautiful sounds, but it seems like their missing something in the middle. Not low end frequencies but that unique digital signature that the high end synths sort of etch into their every sound.
I did wind up getting the Virus Pack from VipZone and I love every single sound in it. Sometimes when I want to make a more minimal sounding track I need smaller but more powerful leads.

And yeh a Virus is def on the list lol but I just don't have the money for one right now. Plus I think it would distract me more from actual producing as I'd be playing with the thing all day. I think what actually sucks the most is if I knew I was gonna spend all this money on synths since I started I would have just bought the Virus the first day. But then of course everyone would have thought I was crazy.

Still would love a VIRUS!!! is it the T I model thats the best for leads?

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I read the first page of this thread and thought I was going to let loose with a tirade, but now I've calmed down a little:

Robby, I appreciate that you want to improve your music, but every time I have come on tranceaddict in the last month, all I have seen is useless threads by you, most of them simply complaining about your lack of ability to produce. We ALL feel frustrated from time to time, but maybe if you spent less time complaining you might get further with your music.

You keep asking questions about how to do things the manual tells you to do (layering in FL and your melodyne thread) then start raving on about filters. Then you realise that you just weren't using the filter envelope. Now, you start trying to tell us that you have to use samples, because you can't afford a virus, and only a virus can make the sounds you need. Because:

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An access virus is made and packed SO TIGHT that its sonic character CAN NOT be replicated by any cheap BS commerical vst you think you can sit around twiddling knobs for 48 years to acheive

But isn't it funny how your claim that

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I have every g/damn vst out there. I have enough knowledge to tell anyone on this forum there are LOTS & LOTS of sounds you CAN NOT get with a softsynth.

Conflicts with the fact you don't know what a filter envelope does? The more I think about it the more annoyed I get, because your sitting there complaining that you can't get your sounds, and need a virus and or samples, but clearly can't even be fucked learning about the VSTs you do have. Then rip into Beyer for saying what he should have, which is that your being lazy and unoriginal. Now mate, I don't know how many drinks you had with your friends, but it must have been way too many to make comments like these.

Perhaps if you spent a little more time reading manuals, doing research on google, trawling through old threads, you might get better sounding tracks, and not so much garbage.

And I'll add that the same goes for sonic, you have 10 FUCKING THREADS in the first two pages Most of them have already been covered. For gods sakes, hang around a while both of you, you'll see the same questions come up over and over. Read the FAQ, read your manuals, and stop asking every daft question that comes into your heads I'm not trying to spread the hate here. I wish you both the best in your musical endevours, I admire you both for trying to improve your craft. But just make some effort for yourselves. Production isn't something that can be learned in a month, it takes years and trying to speed it up by asking every question of us, simply won't help. We aren't some sort of automated manual summarising tool.

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Originally posted by kitphillips And I'll add that the same goes for sonic, you have 10 FUCKING THREADS in the first two pages Most of them have already been covered. For gods sakes, hang around a while both of you, you'll see the same questions come up over and over. Read the FAQ, read your manuals, and stop asking every daft question that comes into your heads I'm not trying to spread the hate here. I wish you both the best in your musical endevours, I admire you both for trying to improve your craft. But just make some effort for yourselves. Production isn't something that can be learned in a month, it takes years and trying to speed it up by asking every question of us, simply won't help. We aren't some sort of automated manual summarising tool.

I appreciate I am buggin somem of you but I also contributing giving advice how to synth or how to get creative with loops. At this point I want to point out something.

I have read the cuabse sx book 498 pages and constantly re-read as i need it.

I bought Reason a guide to from HTFR.com read it cover to cover twice!

I have read old threads in fact I am currently going through the tutorial master list in this very forum.

I have been producing almost 2 years and am not a complete newbie.

I have the "dance music manual" something i have recomended on here and have read the sound design trance music theory etc sections.

On my lunch at work I go to the central library in town where they have an old electronic roland piano and learn theory from piano books.

It is not that i wish to learn in one month it is that Music making is my life i want for nothing mre than to talk about it 24/7. things i find difficult to understand in books I ask here.

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It is really asinine to say that people shouldn't come here when they have a question. That's exactly what THIS FORUM IS FOR! I'm sure its frustrating that questions get asked multiple times at times but people all go through this at far different speeds. It shouldn't be expected that people who are trying their best to get better are being chastised for their dedication.

Just my two cents.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It is really asinine to say that people shouldn't come here when they have a question. That's exactly what THIS FORUM IS FOR! I'm sure its frustrating that questions get asked multiple times at times but people all go through this at far different speeds. It shouldn't be expected that people who are trying their best to get better are being chastised for their dedication. Just my two cents.

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No. This forum is not a place where new producers can come and expect experienced producers to summarise manuals for them and tell them how to work their gear.

This is a place where people can come to exchange knowledge in an equal way. They don't ask questions they could answer themselves from the FAQ, Google or their equipment manuals, and they don't come around acting as though their the most experienced audiophile in the industry, and can only use the best, when they can't even effectively use what they've got.

I'm as happy as anyone to help people out in areas which are constantly changing like computers, new synths, interesting production techniques and things like that. But something like layering in FL? No, not our job. Asking where to buy leads is fine, but then turning around and lambasting someone for telling him that he could get those sounds out of his current gear with some effort. Not something we have to tolerate.

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Originally posted by kitphillips No. This forum is not a place where new producers can come and expect experienced producers to summarise manuals for them and tell them how to work their gear. This is a place where people can come to exchange knowledge in an equal way. They don't ask questions they could answer themselves from the FAQ, Google or their equipment manuals, and they don't come around acting as though their the most experienced audiophile in the industry, and can only use the best, when they can't even effectively use what they've got. I'm as happy as anyone to help people out in areas which are constantly changing like computers, new synths, interesting production techniques and things like that. But something like layering in FL? No, not our job. Asking where to buy leads is fine, but then turning around and lambasting someone for telling him that he could get those sounds out of his current gear with some effort. Not something we have to tolerate.

just don't answer threads that you see as useless, there are plenty of guys here that can answer those questions...

and for everyone on these forums... stop writing "facts"... there are none... the only thing i do belive regarding sounds and devices is that you can't imitate a sound of a real instrument or a vocal (and also that is with some exceptions)... if you try hard enough you can make anything from everything...

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Synths constantly surprise me i didnt think you could get that characteristic heavy bass found in electro out of reason but low and behole a malstrom sawtooth 4 motion turned down sine underneath few tweaks and burrrrrrrrrrr bur burrrrr LOL

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Synths constantly surprise me i didnt think you could get that characteristic heavy bass found in electro out of reason but low and behole a malstrom sawtooth 4 motion turned down sine underneath few tweaks and burrrrrrrrrrr bur burrrrr LOL

the thing is that the hardware synth will make the sound in a similar way its just that it comes with much more professional presets so people tend to qualify them as better...

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