PKC, you troll, this is another one of those false flags Chomsky and beloved radical left doesn't talk about... yet. I'm pretty sure he read it today though.

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Originally posted by robstar Dunno why he choose to od on tylenol and codeine. If he was to be saved somehow chances where that he was going to wake up as a vegetable. Panic I guess? No time to cook up some insta-death stuff in the lab.

feels good? dunno.

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Daschle Critical Of Anthrax Probe


Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, whose office was a target of the anthrax attacks in 2001, said Sunday the suicide of the government's main suspect does not mean the case is over.

Daschle said the FBI has not given him any new updates. He also raised questions about the quality of the investigation, noting that the government recently paid out almost $6 million to a former Army scientist, Steven Hatfill, who accused authorities of unfairly targeting him in the anthrax case.

"From the very beginning I've had real concerns about the quality of the investigation," Daschle said in a broadcast interview. "Given the fact that they already paid somebody else $5 million for the mistakes they must have made gives you some indication of the overall caliber and quality of the investigation."

Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began showing up at congressional offices, newsrooms and post offices soon after Sept. 11, 2001.

The case re-emerged in the news this past week as investigators prepared to charge a government scientist Bruce Ivins in the case. Ivins died Tuesday in what has been ruled a suicide.

"Unfortunately, it doesn't bring anything to closure," Daschle said. "This probably further complicates their ability to get to the facts."

He said he did not know if the investigation involving Ivins "is just another false track and a real diversion of where they need to be. We don't know, and they aren't telling us."

Tom Ridge, Bush's Homeland Security secretary at the time of the anthrax attacks, said he did not know what evidence the FBI had uncovered against Ivins.

"But I know that they were relentless, relentless, both domestically and overseas, both with the notion that it could have been a part of a broader terrorist network, but it could also have been the act of a deranged individual or two," Ridge said.

Daschle appeared on "Fox News Sunday," while Ridge was on "This Week" on ABC.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008...in4317549.shtml

THE BIOWAR STORY NOT TOLD IN THE AFTERMATH OF A SCIENTIST’S “SUICIDE”


SPECIAL NEWS DISSECTOR REPORT: THE DEATH OF A SCIENTIST AND THE BIO WAR MYSTERY

It is Saturday morning, and as the skies darken, and the rains threaten, I am reading about biowar investigator Bruce E. Ivins who is said to have taken his life with a fatal cocktail of codeine and other drugs just as he was about to be arrested and charged with five cases of murder in connection with the still fully unsolved anthrax attacks of 2001.

The naming of Mr. Ivins, born in Lebanon (Ohio), not the Middle East, and a veteran employee at the U.S. Government’s massive US Army bio weapons lab at Ft. Detrick, MD at least suggests, as many have long contended, that this was a domestic crime, not a foreign terrorist act.

The story, broken by the LA Times Friday got the full card monte coverage treatment by the New York Times on Saturday with acres of print. Is there any reason to conclude that we now know all the facts, or that the case is closed or even that Ivins was the guilty party?

The last man accused by the FBI Dr Stephen Hatfill went to Court and won a $4.6 million settlement in his suit against the FBI for violating his rights. His law suit against the NY Times reporting on the issue failed when the Judge ruled he could not prove the newspaper knowingly published false information. Clearly, the information was false then. How credible is the reporting now?

Ivins’ lawyer Paul Kemp insists that it was FBI harassment and humiliation that led to the suicide. He also contends that Ivins would have been exonerated if his case went to trial. Obviously he was facing a long and costly legal ordeal contributing to his anxieties. One report said he did not have the money to properly defend himself.

The Washington Post reports that other scientists at the lab are skeptical about suggestions that Ivins is the man described in the NY Post as “DR DOOM.”


http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2...ntists-suicide/

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z PKC, you troll, this is another one of those false flags Chomsky and beloved radical left doesn't talk about... yet. I'm pretty sure he read it today though.

dare i ask you to show me the evidence?

let's take a walk down logical drive shall we?

you are telling me that the evil US government went to all the trouble of mailing anthrax around the country, then using their political muscle to link (in the psyche of the american public at least) al qaida with the anthrax scare.

and then, when all their cunning plans were lined up:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm just surprised they did "find" the real criminal(s). Gee, and I thought those filthy fuck1ng sandn1ggers were behind it... not.

where is the sand n1gger patsy? why is the government, years after the last scare, suddenly blaming it all on one of their own? why havent they tortured someone at gitmo into confessing something?

the problem with some of your "false flag" allegations, is that they dont make any fucking sense.

this is nothing more than a chemist with an axe to grind and an investigation plagued by poor management and political interference. since you have nothing but your gut feeling forgive me if i wait for something more substantial and less poisoned by hatred & bias.


10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

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US officals believe a man suspected of being behind one of the most bizarre unsolved mysteries in FBI history may have been obsessed for decades by a university sorority. Bruce Ivins, a former US army biowarfare scientist and prime suspect in the case of anthrax-laced letters send through the mail, committed suicide last week, US media reports. Five people died after coming into contact with the lethal anthrax spores in the mail. The FBI could never work out why the four letters sent to media organisations and politicians in September and October 2001 were mailed from Princeton, New Jersey, 314km from the labratory the anthrax was suspected to have been smuggled from. But the Associated Press reported overnight that Ivins had a decades-long obsession with the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority, which was fewer than 100m from the post boxes. Officials told the AP that emails or other documents detailed Ivins' long-standing fixation on the sorority. His former therapist said Ivins plotted revenge against those who had slighted him, particularly women. But there was nothing to indicate that he was focused on any one sorority member or other Princeton student, officials said. The FBI said it hoped to close the anthrax killer case soon following the suicide of Ivins, a newly identified suspect, sources told ABC 7/NewsChannel 8. Investigators said they would release the evidence in the case after meeting 17 survivors and the family members of the five people who died in the attacks. That could happen this week. The reported evidence against Ivins, a former army scientist at Fort Detrick, includes a post office box he reportedly rented under an assumed name, his alleged extensive use of laboratory equipment after hours, and anthrax spores found in his office that were linked through DNA matching to the spores sent through the mail. Ivins killed himself because he was apparently distraught that a grand jury had been impanelled to indict him on capital murder charges. The grand jury is expected to continue hearing evidence for several weeks. Other evidence included comments from a social worker who met Ivins during group therapy sessions this year. Jean Duley sought and received a restraining order against Ivins on July 24, saying he had homicidal fantasies about killing co-workers. In audio tapes of court proceedings obtained by The New York Times, Ms Duley claimed that in a July 9, 2008 session: "He was extremely agitated, out of control...". She said he had bought a gun and a bulletproof vest and had "a very detailed plan to kill his co-workers because he was about to be indicted on capital murder charges. He was going to go out in a blaze of glory".

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2359...031-401,00.html

i guess everyone else, like his therapist, is "in on it" too.

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Give it a rest already, we all know who the anthrax scare was supposedly linked too. I can't waste time in this meaningless exchange, which is also why I don't read or post in the your favorite trolling thread. But since you've made it abundantly clear that you will troll each and every thread, and always hijack it with the same topic, and waste my time and yours, you're going on my ignore list. I can't be drawn in to long pointless discussion with you and waste large amounts of time on PDD again. I even PMed you with a psuedo explanation about a month ago or whatever yet you still must disrespect my interests and wishes.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I even PMed you with a psuedo explanation about a month ago or whatever yet you still must disrespect my interests and wishes.

i believe i replied that i wished you all the best for the future; and nowhere in there did you say "please refrain from taking me to task in the PDD". im sorry, i will endeavour to do so.

but quit setting out bait; im not quite sure what you would expect to happen.

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How is PKC trolling? I'de consider calling someone a "sheep" trolling.

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this is so stupid.

the FBI, within months of the attacks, had the Anthrax genetically narrowed down to a secure American source.

anybody thats at all familiar with the cultivation of spores knows how easily Anthrax can be sourced down to the particular strain.

why would someone be stupid enough to use highly specialized, genetically engineered material in a false flag operation?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i believe i replied that i wished you all the best for the future; and nowhere in there did you say "please refrain from taking me to task in the PDD". im sorry, i will endeavour to do so. but quit setting out bait; im not quite sure what you would expect to happen.

damn pkc.... you are so harsh and such a troll....

awwwe Poor Z...... taking your ball home are you???


so typical, can dish it out but runs away from backing his BS up....

I still have yet to hear why Z thinks MLK is over rated... but then again.... his kind of thinking really doesn't matter anyway, so no great loss

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Give it a rest already, we all know who the anthrax scare was supposedly linked too. I can't waste time in this meaningless exchange, which is also why I don't read or post in the your favorite trolling thread. But since you've made it abundantly clear that you will troll each and every thread, and always hijack it with the same topic, and waste my time and yours, you're going on my ignore list. I can't be drawn in to long pointless discussion with you and waste large amounts of time on PDD again. I even PMed you with a psuedo explanation about a month ago or whatever yet you still must disrespect my interests and wishes.

Jesus Z, stop playing the martyr!
Do we really need to read your personal woahs publically so as to excuse yourself?
Sorry if this seems harsh but I have no love for self pity and this is hardly the first post for this sort.
Get a grip man!
(and I mean that in a loving, manly PDD way of course...)

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