indeed, the synth sound IS important, but some of the fruity sounds are really pretty, especially the ones that sound like ferry... otherwise ferry's tracks would also be shit according to you trancemaster, and i believe you don't think that way
it's the melodies' structure that often makes the track great... look at ppk - ressurection, they used so simple beel-type synths for their melody, yet it's very very effective for alot of people.


well, i'm afraid i have to agree with Dan about the VST plugins like FM7 and VAZ... they both don't allow that easy to use cut off, resonance, filter, velocity (works with FM7 though!) use like the 'normal' synths that are generated with the 3xOSC... that's why i don't like to use them too much too often either.
maybe for the main lead, but if you really want to use them as fading leads, i have to make a clone channel for it, as the velocity etc in the piano roll cannot be applied.

that's why most of the time, i try to replace them with fruity synths that sound a bit like the sounds coming out of VAZ or FM7...

you have a good solution to this trancemaster?

laterz!
LW

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You have both made good points and they are both correct
The quality of the sounds very much affect the overall sound of the track!
I am saving for hardware at the moment and if i was to write it using hardware i am sure it would sound a lot better! (of course)

"i dont see why people keep using these sounds!!! "

because that is the best you can get with fruity in terms of the trance sound i was looking for.. plus i don't like using VST's with fruity unless i really have to!

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ferry uses fruity now does he???

ferrys tracks dont sound like the 3xosc in fruityloops

and of course its not easy to edit the knobs in vst synths, but that gives people no right to say vst's are shit because of it

not everything is supposed to be easy
you cant expect to do everything for you
you gotta put some work in yourself


on fm7
u dont right click anything
when ur vst is opened
on the top left hand corner
there is a little icon
click it, then click the knob you want to edit
and then simply draw it in
its as easy as that

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please tell me a VST that can make a better sounding trance lead than the 3xOSC whilst still retaining a sound that is close to ferry's classic trance synth

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i dunno
im more into the SHOKK, Cosmic Gate type sounds


so you will have to find that one out yourself

i have nothing against the fruity 3xosc

its just that every fruity song i hear, the leads sounds almost the same

but of course if u wanna use it, and u like it
then go for it
it doesnt matter what other people think

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Originally posted by TranceMasterUk ferry uses fruity now does he???

If u read Wim's post correctly, u will notice he didnt say that... he just said that some fruity sounds sound like those used by ferry...

Anywho, thanks for FM7 tip, never knew u could do that !

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listen to this!
http://www.encyde.org/lc/go.php?user=serp&id=00010

p.s YES i do write my own synthlines!
oh.... this clip is very '99

[EDIT]it's missing the nice background strings since i haven't written them yet :P[/EDIT]

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Last edited by Serp on May-26-2002 at 14:38

Sounding nice

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ok thx trancemaster for the FM7 tips

i didn't say all of the VST plugins were shit or uneasy to work with... i like complex tracks, but they kinda mess up my cpu... nlike reason i've been told.
i wanna learn reason, but it looks oh so confusing and nothing seemed to work like i was used to. gotta spen some time on it hehe

see you later everyone
this topic is turning into a different debate actually hehe but nevertheless, it's nice to talk about.

LW

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quote:

Originally posted by Lightworks ok thx trancemaster for the FM7 tips i didn't say all of the VST plugins were shit or uneasy to work with... i like complex tracks, but they kinda mess up my cpu... nlike reason i've been told. i wanna learn reason, but it looks oh so confusing and nothing seemed to work like i was used to. gotta spen some time on it hehe see you later everyone this topic is turning into a different debate actually hehe but nevertheless, it's nice to talk about. LW

Yea, i wanna learn Rreason, but right now im waiting for Reason 2.... and by the time that comes out hopefully i may understand it

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