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Originally posted by Krypton You'de wear this..

i already have a shirt with small red x's all over it. it's too hot for the summer though.

Regardless of how you evaluate his life and perceive the choices he made, I think he's an interesting human being nonetheless. It is ironic thought how his memory has become a counter cultural icon (fuck, by this point it's not even counter cultural anymore), and completely been capitalized on by the same thing he was fighting against.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z capitalized on by the same thing he was fighting against.

bolivian citizens?

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Che was an assasin. To all his fairness he did care about the people... but his actions were just wrong that evolved him as a full scale criminal.

There is something interesting about Ches death. There is some guy here in S Florida that was part of the CIA team to track down el Che. He claims that Fidel castro tipped the CIA on el Ches whereabouts, the eventually led to his capture in Bolivia. This is just a "claim". But it seems to be a very credible source.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by LatinLover There is something interesting about Ches death. There is some guy here in S Florida that was part of the CIA team to track down el Che. He claims that Fidel castro tipped the CIA on el Ches whereabouts, the eventually led to his capture in Bolivia. This is just a "claim". But it seems to be a very credible source.

you know that is not the first time I ever heard that...
some grumblings from cuban old timers I grew up around...

but just old man drunk talk ..... no substance..

Hilarious thread. I'm no Che expert but after watching Motorcycle Diaries I am curious at what point he turned into such a dick. He must've been a closet leper with an axe to grind.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Batista was a brutal dictator, much worse than Castro. Guevara was Castro's right hand man responsible for killing the people that Cuban state considered to be enemies of the state. He was the executioner, so to say.

Yeah, he was also disillusioned with Castro, the Cuban revolution and even communism later. He knew Castro before he became a person of power and influence in Cuba. Let's not have selective memory and make the man one dimensional. And yes, the CIA is responsible for killing him. He was a threat to "US interests" in the region.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

So far as I've read, he's one of the few radicals that I can't even pity. I'd criticise his ideas, but for the most part, he was just a rebel for the sake of being a rebel. It's a shame communism came to be associated with this kind of guy, but maybe Hayek is right... it does bring the worst to the top

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Originally posted by Q5echo anybody that wears his image on their person should be kicked in the vag.

Actually, I strongly support the economic exploitation of his image. What better way to make fun of him?

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Originally posted by Lira So far as I've read, he's one of the few radicals that I can't even pity. I'd criticise his ideas, but for the most part, he was just a rebel for the sake of being a rebel. It's a shame communism came to be associated with this kind of guy, but maybe Hayek is right... it does bring the worst to the top

No, he was rebeling against American imperialist, capitalism and neo-facism in Latin America. I'd hardly call that being a rebel for the sake of being a rebel. You'll never heard about how he would treat injured and terminally ill soldiers / gorilla warriors of the other side because it doesn't make for good pop-culture story telling.

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Originally posted by Lira Actually, I strongly support the economic exploitation of his image. What better way to make fun of him?

Well, I used to be disappointed by people but I've come to expect an obvious manifestation of their insecurities now. Modern man is weak, and projects it all over the place.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Q5echo anybody that wears his image on their person should be kicked in the vag.

Just for you Q...

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...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Originally posted by Q5echo Guevara was a dick. anybody that wears his image on their person should be kicked in the vag.

Nah I'm pretty sure Che didn't wear a Che t-shirt!

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Originally posted by Shakka Hilarious thread. I'm no Che expert but after watching Motorcycle Diaries I am curious at what point he turned into such a dick. He must've been a closet leper with an axe to grind.

Typical American, knows absolutely nothing unless Hollywood's done the film! Well you're a lucky boy cos one of the flag ship films at this year's Cannes Film Festival was a film about Che's revolutionary life (in two parts I think, one in Cuba and the other in S America) so keep an eye out for it!