If you have a good amp going into the reds shouldn't be a big deal with the Pioneer mixers.

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Originally posted by DJ Blitzkrieg If you have a good amp going into the reds shouldn't be a big deal with the Pioneer mixers.

Nope, but unfortunately you can't always guarantee that and, as I said before if there's a limiter in the system at 0dB then 1 or 2 reds could be just too much, although with any luck the techies would know about the Pio sweet spot so would raise the limiter a bit to allow for it.

I would say "if in doubt, ask", but I can't remember the last time I played in a club who had a sound engineer anywhere to be seen, let alone onhand to ask questions... a lot of the smaller venues in the UK at least just simply don't have sound engineers (certainly not full-time ones) and just rely on the DJs to know what they're doing.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Nope, but unfortunately you can't always guarantee that and, as I said before if there's a limiter in the system at 0dB then 1 or 2 reds could be just too much, although with any luck the techies would know about the Pio sweet spot so would raise the limiter a bit to allow for it. I would say "if in doubt, ask", but I can't remember the last time I played in a club who had a sound engineer anywhere to be seen, let alone onhand to ask questions... a lot of the smaller venues in the UK at least just simply don't have sound engineers (certainly not full-time ones) and just rely on the DJs to know what they're doing.

It's just as well, Myra and I were just talking tonight about how "Sound Engineer" is the biggest pisstake of a job title in all of clubland.

I've rarely encountered one who had half a clue.

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So what about the limiter screw on the back of the mixe - where does that come in in terms of level output? you can whack into the red but have the output right down using that screw - or you can be at 0dB and be peaking right over if it's turned way up.

Or is there a nominal setting for it?

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Originally posted by RJT It's just as well, Myra and I were just talking tonight about how "Sound Engineer" is the biggest pisstake of a job title in all of clubland. I've rarely encountered one who had half a clue.

yea, isn't the so called "sound engineer" one of the bartenders, or better yet the promoter of the night? /sigh

I'm from the school of thought that green = good, red = bad.

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Originally posted by slojo So what about the limiter screw on the back of the mixe - where does that come in in terms of level output? you can whack into the red but have the output right down using that screw - or you can be at 0dB and be peaking right over if it's turned way up. Or is there a nominal setting for it?

Christ, there's a lot of bullshit about this subject. Firstly the "limiter screw" on the back of your pioneer is actually a master attenuator. If you buy a $1000+ piece of equipment, at least make sure you know what the knobs do.

Learn proper gain staging, that is what this is all about and what some crap club engineers don't have a clue on and what is being complained about. You don't need to go in to the red if it's set up properly. Red denotes above 0db, which in simple terms means distortion. The reason some people like going in to the red is that there is a small amount of distortion added, which colours the sound.

When recording (say in to a computer) don't go above 0db on the input, otherwise you are clipping, which is not good for digital recordings.

In a club you can go in to the red (and sometimes you have to because of rubbish gain staging in the system) and it's not the end of the world, especially as in some cases it might be perceived to "sound better" but just remember you are actually distorting the signal.

Stu, where did you get the info about pio's having 8db of headroom above 0db?

I can go 1 or 2 bars in red with my korg zero 8 and sounds ok but still get mindset green is better. But at clubs usually try come in early to do test run to find sweet spot if they let me.

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we have angel moraes engineering (old school house legend, engineered some of the best analog systems in the world) the sound where i play... and holy fuck, our system is such a beast you have to be careful...

no red on the xone!!

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Originally posted by Allied Nations we have angel moraes engineering (old school house legend, engineered some of the best analog systems in the world) the sound where i play... and holy fuck, our system is such a beast you have to be careful... no red on the xone!!

Shit, Angel is real legend - and he's your in house engineer? Must sound good, that guy goes waaaaay back and was/is a real pioneer of house.

Thats a name I haven't heard in awhile and all.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations we have angel moraes engineering (old school house legend, engineered some of the best analog systems in the world) the sound where i play... and holy fuck, our system is such a beast you have to be careful... no red on the xone!!

Angel is still alive?!?

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