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Originally posted by echosystm I actually DID use FL, from Fruity Loops 2.x right up to FL Studio 7. (I was one of the aforementioned clueless FL users).

so you do know the benefits in FL, once they get the multicore support it'll be a great program, i see no point in bashing something just 'cos you didn't like it or thought it wasn't good enough, some mad tracks were created using madtracker/buzz and they are not as sophisticated as most programs are... your DAW is merely a platform for your ideas not the ideas themselves, once you realize that you can make anything with anything really...

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Originally posted by Logical For equipment get 2 CDJ 200's and a DJM 400 mixer if you're going to DJ. If you just want to make your own songs, then equipment is not necessary for a beginner. I use FL studio. Its basically just a simpler, more fun version of Reason that can accomplish about the same results. Try the demo version or just pirate it.

Logical your a hoe ass ****** u fucken jack off! i hate to see ******s like you on this Forum! i bet u dont even know how to use Fl or Reason so shut the fuck up! I DONT LIKE YOUR KIND ON THIS FORUM! u should not pirate software and if u do and u use it a lot BUy IT!

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA so you do know the benefits in FL, once they get the multicore support it'll be a great program, i see no point in bashing something just 'cos you didn't like it or thought it wasn't good enough, some mad tracks were created using madtracker/buzz and they are not as sophisticated as most programs are... your DAW is merely a platform for your ideas not the ideas themselves, once you realize that you can make anything with anything really...

Some mad tracks were created with a pair of spoons. If you enjoy a challenge then continue using FL. Otherwise, get a system that makes music creation easier and more natural

@ the OP, I understand now why you asked whether any of us made music, that got a bit of from me at first...
Most important thing in music is your own brain, that means that the best thing you can do is be resourceful and intelligent. That means not posting a thread like "how do I make ch00ns" before you've had a look at the whole of the forums section of a site, and assured yourself that there is no forum called "production studio" or something similar (may also be called "the pit of doom" in some cases).

But yeah, best way to learn, is basically, spend a few hours trawling through old threads here, hang around till you know what NOT to ask, then ask anything you haven't learned yet

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Each DAW has its advantages and disadvantages. Some are better suited to certain tasks. Depending on your requirements, a certain DAW could do what you want if you spend 2 hours working at it. A different DAW could let you achieve the same result in 15 minutes.

To the original poster - the FAQ covers this subject pretty well. my advice is, start off as cheaply as possible. When you're just starting out learning how to put sounds together, you'll make progress on any semi-decent DAW. Grab some freeware, work at it for a few months, then read up on what other software, hardware, sample packs etc could potentially offer you.

After a few months you'll be better positioned to make purchasing decisions.

In short, you'll probably require -

1) A DAW/sequencer to record/place all your sounds/notes. I believe there are some decent freeware options.
2) Something which produces sound - plenty of decent free VST synths and samplers.
3) Some drum samples - once again, decent free packs can be found on the net.
4) Something to let you hear the sound - your PC's onboard sound and speakers could well be enough (or headphones) for the first few months. No need to spend heaps on monitor speakers until you've made a bit of progress and know you'll hang in there.

That's pretty much it. Maybe a cheap MIDI keyboard if you want to play/improvise. But that's not essential. Read the FAQ, this question comes up many, many times.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Some mad tracks were created with a pair of spoons. If you enjoy a challenge then continue using FL. Otherwise, get a system that makes music creation easier and more natural

just stop writing in "facts" that really bothers me, there is no "natural" or easier programs, there are a bunch of softwares out there, all do more or less the same things, some will come more naturally to you, some won't, and some find FL studio easy, you don't, get over it.

at the end its all the same sh*t, if you have an idea youll make it no matter the program, you are supposed to control the program not the other way around you know...

i hate it when people just bash for no good reason, and if the reason is personal experience just remember that different people have different needs.

at the end of the day if i hear a great track i dont give a damn if it was created with logic\FL\cubase\mom's washing machine...

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA so you do know the benefits in FL, once they get the multicore support it'll be a great program

that and auto PDC, real sidechain plugin support and better audio editing. then, yes it will be a great program.

unfortunately, it was written in the shittest modern programming language known to man and there are (according to even the developers) too many foundational issues limiting the implementation of these new features. i remember a developer saying a complete rewrite is necessary. obviously, this is unlikely to happen any time in the forseeable future, if at all. in the meantime, most other DAWs have had these features for many many years.

i used to think FL was a great starting point, but it's really hard to recommend FL to anyone starting out now. it has fallen too far behind.

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA i see no point in bashing something just 'cos ... you thought it wasn't good enough

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Originally posted by echosystm that and auto PDC, real sidechain plugin support and better audio editing. then, yes it will be a great program. unfortunately, it was written in the shittest modern programming language known to man and there are (according to even the developers) too many foundational issues limiting the implementation of these new features. i remember a developer saying a complete rewrite is necessary. obviously, this is unlikely to happen any time in the forseeable future, if at all. in the meantime, most other DAWs have had these features for many many years. i used to think FL was a great starting point, but it's really hard to recommend FL to anyone starting out now. it has fallen too far behind.

look, all the things you mentioned can be solved outside the program, not an ideal but if one likes the program he will find a way around its lacking options...

and for the second quote, why is it that difficult to introduce your opinion as an opinion and not as a fact? you could just stated it was your opinion, that's what triggered me in the first place...

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Originally posted by echosystm - Automatic plugin delay compensation - Real sidechain plugin support - Proper dual/quad core CPU support I would say the majority of FL users don't know what any of these features are

none of these issues hinders creating music


but i agree, it sucks that dual/quad isnt supported properly....

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA just stop writing in "facts" that really bothers me, there is no "natural" or easier programs, there are a bunch of softwares out there, all do more or less the same things, some will come more naturally to you, some won't, and some find FL studio easy, you don't, get over it. at the end its all the same sh*t, if you have an idea youll make it no matter the program, you are supposed to control the program not the other way around you know... i hate it when people just bash for no good reason, and if the reason is personal experience just remember that different people have different needs. at the end of the day if i hear a great track i dont give a damn if it was created with logic\FL\cubase\mom's washing machine...

Yeah, but it annoyed the hell out of me having no PDC, Multicore is an absolute neccesity and theres a whole bunch of other very objective technical reasons why FL is rubbish.

If we were discussing logic vs Cubase then it would be different.
Mind you, I understand that Fl probably has charm for some people, so do spoons and pans, we all have our weapons of choice, which we use because we're attached to them. Quirky, half broken instruments or software which form part of the character of our sound. But FL is simply not on par with other DAWs, sorry if that offends you, but it is a "fact"... We both agree that it doesn't matter what you produce with, music that's quality is quality.
But how you can say that all DAWs are equal is beyond me. I've used most, and I can tell you that some are just not up to the task, and each has its own strengths. Ever try audio in Reason? How about trance in PT? It doesn't work.
Theres nothing stopping you from trying, and maybe makig something great. But it would have been easier all along if you had had a DAW which was better set up for the task.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah, but it annoyed the hell out of me having no PDC, Multicore is an absolute neccesity and theres a whole bunch of other very objective technical reasons why FL is rubbish. If we were discussing logic vs Cubase then it would be different. Mind you, I understand that Fl probably has charm for some people, so do spoons and pans, we all have our weapons of choice, which we use because we're attached to them. Quirky, half broken instruments or software which form part of the character of our sound. But FL is simply not on par with other DAWs, sorry if that offends you, but it is a "fact"... We both agree that it doesn't matter what you produce with, music that's quality is quality. But how you can say that all DAWs are equal is beyond me. I've used most, and I can tell you that some are just not up to the task, and each has its own strengths. Ever try audio in Reason? How about trance in PT? It doesn't work. Theres nothing stopping you from trying, and maybe makig something great. But it would have been easier all along if you had had a DAW which was better set up for the task.

it doesn't offend me, it annoys me that you guys are posting those "facts" to a new guy in production, instead of just showing him hes options and the ones you prefer.

and i would simply say i don't agree with you.

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